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This Has Got To Be Wrong. Am I Right?

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 Posted 04/30/2014  05:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm guessing he's Korean - or at least, not American - and don't necessarily see anything malicious in his misinformation. More than likely, it's just what he's learned - heard somewhere, maybe - and the fact that he's mistaken in this instance doesn't necessarily make him a poor numismatist.
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 Posted 04/30/2014  06:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NathanASE to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bring up the fact that modern US Commemoritive coins were not intended for circulation and were specifically made to commemorate a event, person, place or thing... so an regular error Lincoln wouldn't fall into that category of commemoritive at all, A) it's an error on a normal circulating coin. And B) they wernt made remotely on purpose.

Also, the US mint has a whole series of modern Commemoratives out to date (1982-now) and if he would bother to check them out he may realize that none of them are "errors" (at least not on purpose) and are only half dollars, dollars, $5 & $10 golds.... No cents.

Is it possible he's getting the regular zincolns mistaken with the 2009 formative years cents? Although not purposely off centers, nor tecnically commemoritives this could be what he's thinking of?
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 Posted 04/30/2014  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Matteproof to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
UPDATE:
I posted the link to this thread. The OP replied to my post, and there was a second round of arguments........this is how it went.

The reply said:
"Yes, it IS an error coin, slabbable by TPGS, but it is a common commemorative error coin..." (That "commemorative error coin" again. Sigh.) "......most collectors wouldn't buy a coin like that even for $1. They are different from the "error coins" we generally think of. I can tell you this over and over for a hundred days, but if you think they are valuable, collect them."

And then he said something that was just terribly, horribly wrong:
"If you ask such a question [that America doesn't make error coins in purpose] online, both in America or Korea, the experts in numismatics won't even reply to you, and just laugh inside. Frankly, I replied to your post although even replying to such a post was humiliating."

Well, at least the pros here aren't laughing at my question (although probably laughing at the OP). And plus, the OP's the one that just humiliated himself by saying all that....

Then the OP started all over again about how they are "Mass-produced so-called error coins that are meant to be a commemorative coin" and "look different than real error coins made during actual production of coins for circulation." Double-sigh right there.

I replied again to the OP about how his terminology, "commemorative error coins" is completely wrong and nonexistent.

Then the OP replied yet again.
"When you go to famous tourist attractions, you can pay $1 and a coin is struck with a new design. If so, aren't they error coins made on purpose?"
Oh, so the OP confused the elongated coin machines that you pay $1 to get a flattened coin with a new design and shape. I had to laugh at how he even thought of "error coins" being made outside the mint! Maybe the OP thought there the machines were little divisions of the US Mint, producing flattened cents?

The OP continued:
"It is so embarrassing to be discussing on a topic like this. Please stop it. You can collect coins the way you think. But anyways, no matter who says it, the off-center coin posted has a different look from "real" error coins. That's what you've got to know."
It was this point when I felt I had to make a strong, effective reply to get the OP out of his own imaginary world.

I simply replied:
"I am not afraid nor embarrassed debating about this. Make a Google search or click on the link I posted and read. Please do not feel offended, but American experts are laughing at YOUR statement. This is not a question up for debate. It's a fact."
I thought I had made an excellent point and scared off the OP, but:

The OP replied, again. Sigh.
"Then ask your American coin buddies. Ask them how error coins are minted. Ask them what are 'real' error coins. Ask them if they could tell the 'real' error coins apart from the commemorative error coins. My guess is that nobody could. I never knew America had such poor minting technology that error coins are worth less than $1, because there are so many of them out there. Let's stop now. You might get a heart disease, lol."

Well, what do I say? The OP refused the great education I was giving him, for FREE. Now someday he will learn it the hard way when he gets humiliated in a group of error experts. Oh well, I tried my best.

Sometimes in life, you just gotta look for the truth and accept it when someone questions your statement. You will learn a lot from it, and you won't regret it.
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 Posted 04/30/2014  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AES to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd like to see a picture of said cent.
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That link requires a login.
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Shoot, I guess the only way is to just post the pic here.
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 Posted 04/30/2014  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Matteproof to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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This was the coin that started everything.
The coin to the left, the one that's all covered in green stuff is the off-center cent is the coin that was being discussed about.
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the OP sounds very serious and confident

OK, so he is serious, confident, and wrong.

And why are some of these simple errors so common? Not be cause they are made deliberately, but because we make so dang many coins! In 2007 South Korea made 53 million 1 Won coins. In the US we made 7.4 BILLION Lincoln cents. If you have an error rate of .0001% there would be 53 error 1 Won coins and 7,400 error US cents. And that's just for that one year!
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There's no such thing as a "commemorative error coin". The US Mint has never intentionally made and sold an error coin. While a few workers have been caught doing it illegally, it was never the Mints doing.

The off-center coin you posted is a real error. It was not made intentionally.
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So, I've been looking around in a Korean numismatic forum website, and I got in this argument.


Sorry for the delay in posting a comment on this thread.
The 1st thing I learned a long time ago was, there comes a time during a conversation when you have to agree to disagree, and move on.

When it comes to off center Lincoln's, anyone on ebay pre-2001 could purchase B/U off centers in lots of 100 pcs. for less then $200.00, your average Double Strike errors would average $25.00 for Cents, Nickels & Dimes (I know this as I've purchased well over a 2,000 off center Cents dated from 1998 to 2000, and in 2001 they started drying up, and I had to pay a small premium for the 2001's.
(I enjoyed ebay back then)

In 2002 error coins were almost non-existent, and as the Error World Cover Page from the Jan/Feb 2003 issue, asks; (notice the 2003/2 magazine overdate error)

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If there is One Country who's Mint makes error coins for profit, it would have to be Malaysia with this lettered edge planchet, triple struck on one side, then flipped over for a final 4th strike.

India is another Country with more error coins that I could count, with the exception that they are genuine errors with very poor Mint quality control, and knowinly released the errors (my opinion only, due to the amount purchased years back).

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Back then I was ebay's high bidder on this PCGS Quadstruck Cent at $190.00 from Fred Weinberg. This coin was one on numerous coins purchased from Fred.

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It was either late 2003 or early 2004 when well known ebay seller from California (who had connections with selling errors found in counting rooms) offered this 2003D LMC as a triple strike error. I advised the seller that it was actually a quad strike. She agreed with my finding, but failed to edit the coin description and left it as being a triple strike cent.

Long story short, at $470.00 this was the most I paid for a quad-struck error, and I guess Fred also noticed the 4th strike since he was one of the under-bidders on this lot.


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Maybe the OP is just being cynical.
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Yeah, I guess the OP could have been just cynical. I am a younger person than the OP, and I haven't been around in that website for a long time. However, when so many evidence is presented, one should realize that he/she may be the one who's got it all wrong.
I wish there were other Korean error experts in the website to stand up for me, as I really just wanted to tell that guy the truth.
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 Posted 05/01/2014  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Matteproof to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for all contributions to this thread.
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Nuff said. I'd email this fiction writer back, including this thread. Thanks for posting the question, you couldn't have been replied to by a better group. Well, almost.

Why bother getting into an argument with someone that you don't even know. For all you really know is the person your discussing this all with is just an argumentive, irritating person and really knows they are wrong but just wants to argue. There are people like that you know. And on the internet, you'll find a lot of those. On the internet you have many people that are just out for fun. Know little or nothing about what they are saying. Many simply repeat what they read somewhere and have no idea of what is real and what isn't. Arguing with them is like trying to tell a 5 year old there are no monsters in their closet of under their bed.
Trouble is they have enough trouble making everything right. Taking time to make errors would just not be worth their time.
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just carl:
I argued with the OP because I didn't want other people getting misinformed. By posting something that was totally incorrect, people would have read the OP's post and pass on the wrong information to other collectors and so on. I didn't want the 300 other people looking at that post to be misinformed.

You wouldn't be so happy when you see someone post wrong information, right? Not only the members would be seeing the post, but a plenty of new collectors may see the post and get misinformed. One guy who was apparently been following the argument posted that he was a new collector and is completely confused as on which side to trust. That gave me the determination to fix what was going on.
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