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1965 P DDO-002 Pretty Sure

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 Posted 05/05/2014  11:25 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ghostrivertrading to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I think I have this right? Wexler WDDO-002 and Coneca DDO-002. Tell me if you think I'm right or otherwise. The penny is not in the greatest shape but it's a good find.
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Deb

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Sorry, but looks like Machine Doubling to me.
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 Posted 05/06/2014  07:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ghostrivertrading to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Medium spread on last T of TRUST is what Coneca says. Can you have some Mechanical Doubling while a coin is also a doubled die? None of the other die states are confirmed so perhaps I should put this away for later attribution also.
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For Wexlers listing of WDDO-002, it says that the doubling should be on top of the "5". I do agree that there is Machine Doubling on your coin Deb, BUT, Wexler's example shows a Machine Doubling clip on his example as well. I personally don't see what John Wexler is seeing in HIS coin. If there is a extremely minor doubling there, I am missing it.

I have a request, if possible can you take a picture of your coin, Focused on the date - upside down?
Leave the lighting and your technique alone, just put Lincoln on his head for one pic. Sometimes seeing the coin at a different angle will help solve a riddle.

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Ok, here are some more pictures and I am leaving them upside down as requested. I do the same thing you do, turn the coin to all angles when inspecting so I really feel this a DDO as the date is not shelf like. I'm curious, if something is not listed at locations, does that mean it doesn't exist or it has no attributions yet? I'm not sure who, how errors are decided. Still learning.
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Coins that are typically not listed are ones that have not been found by collectors that wish to spend the money, time and effort to send a coin in for attribution. An Attributor typically needs more than one of these coins so they have somthing to look for markers or Pick Up Points that will be common amongst all of the coins. having more than one example from the same die state (say all are from the die in medium die state)allows the attributor to look at all these simialr coins and find markers, and know that they will stay consistent through that die state.
The markers can change significantly between die states. So, if a person finds something new, and only has one of them, an attributor will confirm the new find, but then has to do a best guess at which markers on the coin they have will appear on other coins with the same issue.

Typically when people find new varieties or errors, they would send them in to a seasoned attributor. Then from there the attributor can confirm or deny the claim. If some one like John Wexler, Ken Potter or some one from CONECA attributes a coin, it can then be sent into a Third Party Grading ( TPG) service. People will send in a copy of the paprwork with the coin and that will show the TPG people a new variety exists and have some concrete evidence to go by.

One thing I do when I find something is try to find others like it. This is one reason I like to do Bags and rolls of BU coins. Odds are I will find another and can try matching up some markers and confirm its not a fluke.


OK, for this Coin, right off, on the LIBERTY upside down shot, I Think I see a dieclash or some other thing near the "L" in LIBERTY. I magnified the image up to 300% and it looks promising that its a part of another "L" or a die clash. Looking at the coin right side up, the clash or another part of the "L" should be right below the regular "L", and almost touching the rim.

One of the things I am seeing on the upside down pics is some sort of damage across "L", alittle on the "E" and on the "T" in LIBERTY. I also see this slight clip on the "1", the backside of the "9", backside of the "6" and the middle part of the "5". The only Machine Doubling I see in "In God We Trust" is the word "WE".

IF I had to choose one that looks closer - via the pics, and not having the coin in hand, on Wexler's site, the "5" clip on Wexler's site and your coin is close, BUT, that would make it a 1965 1ยข WDDO-001 vice a 002. Looking at all these pics, and then John Wexler's site as well, 002 to me doesn't show enough for me to cal it a DDO from His site. Maybe I am just over saturated from looking at coins for the last month or so. I am probably suffering from Copper Eye magnification poisoning ! I understand that having a coin in hand is way different than what one can see in pics. This one, I cannot seem to find anything other than the issue that exists below the "L".

Coppercoins doesn't list anything for the 1965 year. Hummm.

I wonder if this is the same sort look your DDO is showing. Take a look at this 1963-D and see if it exhibits the same sort of DDO;
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
The 1963 almost looks "layered" as if one date is directly under the other date. Stacked and slightly off. If Coppercoins pics aren't clear enough for the 1963-D let me know, I will upload a pic of one to compare.

My eyes are crossed. I'll take a break from this, and come back to it to see if there is anything I have missed.
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It must not be attributed yet. I'll hang on to it. It does not look like the CopperCoin 1963 D as the bottom part of the stacking on my coin is directly to the right, not the left. It is like Machine Doubling but I know it's not because it is not flat and shelf like. "The 1963 almost looks "layered" as if one date is directly under the other date." This is what it is like but to the right a bit!
I can't tell about the "L" for sure and it is funny there is nothing on Coppercoins. This leads me to believe what you stated about it not being listed and has yet to have a comparison. Don't worry about it, I'll save it for later. I'm sure you have many other crossed eyes to look at! I understand the copper eye magnification thing! My are buggy too!
Thanks for all your help. I put it to good use and at some point I will send these unknowns in and we will have something to compare them to. I found a 1936 P that doesn't match up completely either. I'm going to post it to see if anyone can see something I don't.
There is no such thing as try, we either do or don't.
Thanks again,
Deborah
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I would keep it until you are sure on this one. Your light source seem to create shadows that make the devices longer. But a side by side of your coin and a normal one taken with the same light setup might be good to help to see if it is hub doubled or not.
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Will do, thanks Coop.
Deb
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