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Is This An R5?

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So I finally got around to attributing some coins and I've had this one since the start. Just did the spreadsheet to find out that, according to my calculations, it has the following specs:

RIC VII Cyzicus 73
N1 Bust, Rated R5
obverse legend with break CONSTAN-TINOPOLI
Mint Mark: SMKA dot
Years 330, 334 minted

The mintmark is very clear! The observe could use some work, but this is about as good looking as it will get! Please let me know your thoughts as to if or this isn't an r5. Thanks!

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 Posted 05/06/2014  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are correct it is rated r5.
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i recently got a campgate that was rated r5. I misplace my picture of it, and am to lazy right now to take another...nothing speical looking anyway. how rare are coins rated r5 in everyone's experience? I know that means only one was found in the collections in which they looked...but those are museums correct?
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 Posted 05/06/2014  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is neat to record the rarity on the label, but it really doesn't mean anything any more. Since the lists were compiled
gazillions of coins have been unearthed.
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 Posted 05/06/2014  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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How rare are coins rated r5 in everyone's experience?

Not as rare as they sound but generally rarer than the other ratings. I guess if you're looking for a particular R5 you should resign yourself to having to wait a while before you find one but its not that hard to pick up any old R5 if you know what I mean.

It is though nice when you get one while attributing, it always put a smile on my face.

Here is a summary of the RIC rarity ratings - credit should go to Dane for compiling it http://www.catbikes.ch/coinstuff/ri...m#ricratings


RIC I (New edition, 1984)
C: Common to very common
S: Scarce
R: Rare
R2: 11-15 known
R3: 6 to 10 known
R4: 2 to 5 known
R5: Unique

RIC II (late 1920's), RIC III (1930), RIC IV-1 & 2 (1934), RIC V-1 & 2 (1927/1933)
CC: Very common
C: Common
S: Scarce
R: Rare
R2-R5: "additional degrees of rarity" (R5 is usually unique)

RIC VI Rarity ratings (1967)
C2: Common in every major collection
C: In every major collection
S: In most major collections
R: 26-50 known
R2: 11-25 known
R3: 6-10 known
R4: 2-5 coins known
R5: Unique

RIC VII Rarity ratings (1966)
C3: more than 41 known
C2: 31-40 known
C1: 22-30 known
S: 16-21 known
R1: 11-15 known
R2: 7-10 known
R3: 4-6 known
R4: 2-3 known
R5: Unique

RIC VIII Rarity ratings (1981)
No information at all (at least, I can't find it!) Presumeably similar to RIC VII

RIC IX Rarity ratings (1933)
C3 - C: "increasing degrees of commonness"
S: Scarce
R - R4: "increasing degrees of rarity"
R5: Unique


I've not seen a list of the museums that were used to compile the figures but even if all the top European museums were used you would be lucky if that even made up 1% of the coins that were around and sitting in private collections and dealers stocks.

As a kind of rough estimate I would say maybe 1 in 100 of the coins I have had were R5. I didn't look for them, they just cropped up in random lots I bought.
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05/06/2014 7:15 pm
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Wow, yea I am just blown away. Whether it is the symbolism or something else, I am just very happy to have found it and thanks to each of you guys for explaining the RIC ratings. It will change, I am sure of it, but I am happy that according to the latest RIC, I have a 'unique' coin in readable condition!
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indeed! I did enjoy putting "rarity: R5" on the label of my coin.
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Thanks to bobbyhelmet's explanation I have my answer.
What is missing but part of the Sheldon scale for rarity
is the availability. Often found, seldom found, maybe two or three a year.
Literally, a hoard unearthed could throw off the numbers.
But given the widespread use of electronics the chances grow slimmer by the day.
I do not understand you ancient folks, but I do so admire you.
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The material used to compile each volume is in the bibliography for that particular volume. Mostly it's museum collections and auction catalogs in there. Some hoard reports and other scholarly works are listed as well.
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