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1936 P DDO Lincoln Wheat But Which One For Sure?

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This penny is not in the greatest shape either. A bit beat up and worn so finding all the markers has been hard. I believe it is Coppercoins 1DO-003 LDS but I am not certain about Coneca, either DDO-002 or 003 as there does seems to be remnants of a light die crack and Wexler looks like WDDO-004?.
This is tough when coins aren't in the greatest shape and worn but I'm getting there and learning.
I left some of the pictures upside down because that is the way I took them for lighting comparisons.
Thank You All!
Deborah

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Here is a close up of the motto:
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Note the shape of the "E" in WE. That area on your coin looks un-affected by the damage.
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Why do I keep getting the wrong variety or finding unattributed coins? Which variety do you think it is or am I stuck with another weirdo?
Thanks Coop,
Deborah
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You may have a coin that was damaged by a coin wrapper. The areas in question seems to answer to the damage. My eyes always check the dates first on coins and this one would have cause my attention. But even it was a variety, the value would be almost nil because of the coin damage. The example on coppercoins 003 is one of my discovery pieces for this die on coppercoins. I keep look for more of these. So keep looking. Remember every hurdle you jump over is another lesson learned not only by you, but the coin community family.
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I don't understand damage by coin wrapper? How could cardboard or paper cause damage. There is no such thing as a stupid question. Right? LOL
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Deb, the damage could have been caused by 2 things;
1. a coin wrapper machine crimper can be metal or heavy duty plastic that seals the end of the rolls. It typically pushes against the outer coin and spins in a circle to make the end of roll crimping. That spinning can cause damage about the same distance away from the rim, sometimes all the way around the coin.

2. It was a metal coin counting machine. The coin gets stuck in the counter and it simply spins in a circle, and damages to coin since it is metal on metal. The coin counter usually leaves a tell tale sign of a light circular ring of damage around the coin.

This may have well been a DDO, as the "3" surely looks like one even after getting damaged, it still looks semi intact. Problem is with the associated damage, the eye appeal and price of the coin will suffer greatly.

If you look around the coin about the same distance from the rim, you'll see a pattern (line of damage) that circles around the coin. It could affect some areas and avoid others, depending on what damaged the coin. Sometimes the wrapper will insulate the coin from damage in some areas, and when its metal on metal, destroy that area.

HEY ! Whats up with the last "T" in TRUST Deb? Am I seeing an additional upper crossbar or are my eyes still jacked up?

I noticed you had 1936 in the Title and its a '34 coin, I had to do a double take when I was on Wexler's site ...hehehehe.

If I have time tonight I will look this one over for the fun of it. It will probably be early evening East Coast USA time.
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There is also a third option. Used in a rotary coin vending machine. These were used for years getting gum balls, peanuts or other things.
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OOPs, 1934. Looking at to many 30's I guess. Yes, the T has something going on and I'm adding another picture. It looks damaged also but there is still something there, die chip? I know it may not be worth much but the learning process is priceless! LOL javascript:insertsmilie('')
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Either way you're right. Some kind of damage is going around the rim. It is a DDO though!
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As for the "T" area in TRUST, if the extra metal is touching the rim, it could be considered a Cud, vice a die chip. From the pictures though, it looks like there is separation between the die chip and the rim (I mean the rim and the die chip don't blend together, making it a Cud) and yep it would be considered a die chip.

This one LOOKS like the first one listed on John Wexler's site;
1934 1¢ WDDO-004 "Best Of" Variety

The Date looks spot on. Addiionally, if you look at the "I" in LIBERTY on your coin, even though it is damaged, it is leaning to the right.
This coin is heavily worn, and could easily be a VLDS (very late die state) coin. When a coin is heavily worn and has additional damage to it, the chance to see markers is slim to none.
So focusing on the relative shape of the date, the intact and leaning "I" I'd have to go with the 1934 1¢ WDDO-004 on John Wexler's site.

The problem then is the grade and potential pricing of the coin. It would probably be a fair to say the coin is between VG (Very Good) and Good, maybe leaning on VG. As for the price, I'd think your looking between $3.00 and maybe a top end of $7.00 to the right collector. If it was a MS63/65 it would be worth a pretty penny.
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Gary - you said what I was thinking. When the markers may have been worn away (or created yet), one may have to improvise and make a judgment based on visual characteristics. Less exact for sure, but possibly the only way to identify a coin where the die state markers are unknown. More reason why folks should send coins along to have the die state cataloged I suppose.

That said, Coop has urged me to look and look again to find the markers. While I may not see them all, finding one or two help solidify identification.

Deb - you are learning quickly and others are learning through your thread (like me). All good stuff in my opinion.
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Thank you Gary and Rackster, I too have been looking for makers and some of the coins are just to worn or damaged. But when I do see something that jumps out at me (Coop says that) I have to look at all available resources and ask you. You have proven to be my best asset and I will continue to learn quickly through you. On that note, am I safe in assuming a variety on only one or two markers?
Thank you very much, all of the CCF members!
Deb
PS Thanks for the grading tip Gary. I will have to get to that class in order to sell all these. First things first.
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