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1972-D 40% Kennedy Half ? Is It Possible ?

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Hey guys.

I was going through some halves my wife brought home and found a 1972D That scales at 11.43g to 11.50g.

I out it on the scale about 20 times.

I read that in 1971D and 1977D there were some halves struck in silver clad in error. Is it possible that it happened in 1972D ?

Or did I read the Red Book wrong ?

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The 77 d transitional errors were struck on leftover 40% silver stock that was likely left in planchet bins that were used when 1976 bicentennial 40% halves were being struck. Likewise the 1971 d 40% silver transitional errors were likely struck off of planchets made for use in the 1970d silver issue. Since there was no silver issue in 1971, a 1972d 40% silver issue would likely be a one off error if it is genuine.

The first order of business would be to post some pictures of the coin here.
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OK, Any specific areas of the coin? This is my first experience with halves.
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Interesting. If the scale's accurate, that's about the right weight for a 40% and notably heavy for a clad. Can you see any copper on the rims? It's going to be tough to tell just from images; your best bet would probably be to take it to a jeweler/gold buyer who has XRF and have the composition tested. The city you're near (as an Admin I've access to member IP's and can tell where you're at, but I'm not sharing since it isn't in your profile) is plenty big enough to have businesses with that equipment.
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Well SsuperDdave, I'm in the Orlando area. Do you think you would be able to point me in the right direction?

Also, you CAN see other then Silver on the edges but the Silver color takes up Much more area then the other, (more then 50%), if that helps.

I'll try to get some pictures up if you think it's warranted as well.
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U should not see any copper on the 40% halves definitly like to see a picture!! Did you do the tissue test? And of course the ping test.. Lol you may not want to ping it tissue test should work
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Try out the tissue test first and if it is positive, then you should pursue the XRF analysis.
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Well, I tried the tissue test with this coin, a known clad and 2 walkers and 2 ben's and they ALL look dark.
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I'm pretty sure Park Avenue Gold Exchange in Winter Park has XRF. You'd want to call to confirm and see if they're willing to test it for you first, of course. They may charge a couple bucks for the service.
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Thanks SsuperDdave.

Any pre cautions I should take ?
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Make sure the silver coins you use in the test are not darkened as this will not work correctly.
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And only use tissue. OR single ply toilet paper put it with anything silver proof lens or blue ike anything will work good luck keep us posted!
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Hey, I'm not sure what this means,


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Make sure the silver coins you use in the test are not darkened as this will not work correctly.


Do you mean the tissue test will only work on BU/UNC coins? Because this may be an AU coin but not a BU.

Also the coins I used to do the comparison were two 1951 Ben halves and a 1940 and 46 Walker halves. They are also in Cir condition.

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O.K. this might not help but here are a few pictures of the coin.


1972-D-40%-Kennedy-Half-?--Is-It-Possible-?


1972-D-40%-Kennedy-Half-?--Is-It-Possible-?

1972-D-40%-Kennedy-Half-?--Is-It-Possible-?

1972-D-40%-Kennedy-Half-?--Is-It-Possible-?

1972-D-40%-Kennedy-Half-?--Is-It-Possible-?

1972-D-40%-Kennedy-Half-?--Is-It-Possible-?

I posted the last one of the REV to show the banner. It seems that this are is actually Filled in and not just worn away.

Even so, I don't believe it would account for the amount this coin is Over weight.

Although again, This is my first attempt at really looking at Halves.

What do you think?

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Rim looks clad to me
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Thick stock. Clad coin not silver.
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