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2005 P Dime. Missing Cupronickel Outer Layers?

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 Posted 05/16/2014  01:07 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Gestin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey guys,
What do you make of this dime? Is it missing its cupronickel outer layers? It does appear to be a bit on the thin side. I might have to dig out my micrometer. The edge appears to be more rounded from face to face as well as opposed to the typical squared off edge.

Please give me your thoughts and thanks in advance.


2005-P-Dime.--Missing-Cupronickel-Outer-Layers?

2005-P-Dime.--Missing-Cupronickel-Outer-Layers?

2005-P-Dime.--Missing-Cupronickel-Outer-Layers?

2005-P-Dime.--Missing-Cupronickel-Outer-Layers?

2005-P-Dime.--Missing-Cupronickel-Outer-Layers?

2005-P-Dime.--Missing-Cupronickel-Outer-Layers?
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 Posted 05/16/2014  01:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me it looks like it was found outside on the ground for a time. I bet that if you carried it in you pocket with other change, the silver would probably wear the copper color on the higher reliefs.
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 Posted 05/16/2014  02:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gestin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Coop. You may be right. I would do a scratch test, but don't want to damage it further just in case.

I do have a postal scale, but it doesn't even read to the tenths of a gram.

I did pull out the micrometer and when comparing the dime in question with several other normal looking dimes.....I get:

  • 1.26mm / 17.80mm (thickness/diameter respectively) This is the 2005 P in question.

  • 1.30mm / 17.77mm 2005 P for comparison #1

  • 1.38mm / 17.85mm 2005 P for comparison #2

  • 1.40mm / 17.86mm 1993 P for comparison #3

  • 1.33mm / 17.87mm 1996 P for comparison #4

  • 1.40mm / 17.86mm 1985 P for comparison #5



So it appears to be on the low end for thickness. The diameter is on the lower end of the average.

Are there any other methods/techniques/observations we can come up with that would confirm this dime is not missing its outer layers?

Thanks again Coop.

Its interesting in this pic how the date seems quite faint, but the mint mark is well pronounced.



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 Posted 05/16/2014  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Try a Popsicle stick balance scale with another dime. A dime missing both clad layers would weigh significantly less than a regular dime (over 1 gram less) and a Popsicle balance should be able to prove it. (With the "copper" dime at one end of the stick the regular dime would have to be somewhere around halfway between the fulcrum and the other end for them to balance.)
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 Posted 05/16/2014  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gestin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good idea Conder. I'll give it a try tonight right after a trip to the store for some Popsicles. ;)
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 Posted 05/16/2014  10:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gestin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I tried the Popsicle balance scale technique several times with about 10 normal looking dimes and the results were about 50/50. So I would imagine this dime is just environmentally damaged like coop indicated.

Thanks again.
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 Posted 05/17/2014  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would still carry it for a time in your pocket. You might get a nice antiqued look to it. Take it out when the high points show silver and the fields are still copper looking. Give us an image if you decide to do that.
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 Posted 05/18/2014  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gestin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Will do coop. Thanks again!
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 Posted 05/18/2014  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen the occasional Australian all copper nickel coin from circulation take on this sort of colour appearance.

I am at a loss as to how such an appearance may be acquired, unfortunately. Nevertheless, a small scrape to below the brown surface may reveal the silvery white copper nickel alloy underneath.
This case may be somewhat different, because it is a clad coin but the copper nickel cladding could still be capable of taking on the same coppery appearance if my first statement still holds true.

The chamfered edges may be the result of slightly lower striking pressure. The lower striking pressure could be the result of a slightly thinner planchet as a result of the planchet being minus it's cladding.

Accurate weight measurement may shed a little more light on this discussion.

I don't mind if all of my statements here are regarded as a form of speculation, but they should at least provide some food for thought.
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 Posted 05/19/2014  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gestin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the feedback sel. I'll post a pic after it spends some time in my pocket clanging around.
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