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I have done a bunch of selling on ebay over the years but never coins. Is there anything I should know before selling US coins on ebay? I need a couple of things answered before I sell some of my coins, particularly...

If a coin is not professionally graded I am under the impression I should not state a grade, is this correct?

Does selling out of New York State require me to charge and pay a sales tax?

Is a fourteen day return period the least amount of time you can provide?


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 Posted 05/18/2014  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kefiroth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If a coin is not professionally graded I am under the impression I should not state a grade, is this correct?


You may not state a numerical grade (like "MS-63", for example), but terms like Extremely Fine, Very Fine, Uncirculated etc. are okay as long as there is not a number appended to them.


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Does selling out of New York State require me to charge and pay a sales tax?


I believe sales tax only applies on sales to addresses within your home state (if your state has sales tax).


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Is a fourteen day return period the least amount of time you can provide?


I think so, but I'm not sure on this one.
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I am not sure what you mean. There is a NY state sales tax. I have never worried about it before with ebay but I wonder if its different with currency.
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 Posted 05/18/2014  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add persistnt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He means when You sell to another New Yorker...
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So in general when I sell I dont have to worry about tax or the IRS right?

So its ok to say that I'm not a pro grader but would give it choice AU or XF in my opinion?
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Of course you need to worry. Whether it's a real worry or not is different.

If you sell to another NY address you are supposed to collect AND remit sales tax, that means you need a sales tax permit (and associated id #, plus filing quarterly returns). What merchandise is taxable and what is not is very much state specific.

If you sell to a non NY address, it is the buyers responsibility to remit "use tax".

If you make money, you owe tax to the US govt.
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Well Basically I'd be selling these items out of my home in NY. Its not a business, just a personal thing. Anything I should worry about? Most sales will be in other states but who knows, we may also get a new york sale.


WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO?
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I never collect sales tax regardless of where my coins ship. Avoid the use of grading adjectives (XF, VF, Fine, etc) unless you make it very clear you are not a professional grader and just estimating a possible grade. And yes, stick with the 14 Day Return privilege (buyer pays return shipping).

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Basically I'd be selling these items out of my home in NY.

Which is a New York Nexus for tax purposes


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Its not a business

Irrelevant to both NYS and USIRS. If you make money you pay taxes... Yup, if you make money selling, even one cent, technically you owe tax on it. The tax return itself may say "if less than $1 do not file" (don't know about NYC/NYS, TX has no such de minimus test).

It's not all bad - as a business you can deduct many things, but equally you need to show a profit 2 out of 5 years or it's a hobby and non-deductible.

Will they come after you? Not likely unless somebody turns you in for the 10% reward. If you are going to do more than a trival # of sales, find a FoaF (Friend of a Friend) who is a tax adviser and pay $100 for his/her advise. You may not follow it, but at least you will do so knowingly (and the $100 is probably deductible).
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How many sellers on ebay actually pay sales tax? How many people pay sales tax when they have a garage sale? New York has a 5 cent bottle deposit, how many people pay taxes on the money they collect from returning bottles? Not that many.

Sure, sure, it's the law and all, and you need to understand that you are supposed to claim it and pay taxes on it, but really, I wouldn't worry about it much.
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Years ago NYS residents used to routinely go to NJ to buy pricey items and (wink wink) have them 'mailed' to their NYC addresses. That way they paid neither sales nor use taxes. When several of the sellers opened NY outlets the state taxation department dropped subpoenas on them for ALL of the records. And people who bought $100K necklaces and rings and watches "tax free" received demand letters. That was a lot of work because in those days the receipts were carbonless paper copies. But the program paid for itself both in $ received at the time and in years and years of on-going collections since.

All I'm advocating is that if you are going to break the law, do so with your eyes open, not an expectation of "they can't ever catch me". States are very hard up for money and very interested in collecting owed taxes of all kinds. The costs of a program similar to NYS with today's computerized business records is trivial. It might cost $0.50 to drop a demand letter into the mail and if even 5% paid up taxes and penalties, it would be a major win for them.
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So its ok to say that I'm not a pro grader but would give it choice AU or XF in my opinion?

Yes it is OK.

As for the tax issue, as mentioned if you sell to someone else in NY you are supposed to collect the sales tax. If you are not selling a whole lot you can probably get away with ignoring it. But if you are going to be selling get the tax number and collect several thousands of dollars worth of goods to NY residents (coins or other thing) it might be a good idea to get the tax number, collect the taxes and send them in. ebay has been under pressure to collect the information on customer sales and report them. If you sell enough to come to the states attention and you haven't been sending in the taxes it could be bad. It really depends on how much you are going to be selling and how much of that to NY residents.
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Thank you. I don't recall sales going to NY residents for the other things I have sold in the past but it probably has happened. I don't think I'd be selling anywhere close to the kind of volume that stands out. I mean I am talking an item or two every few months if even that.

I started this thread as I was going to list a few coins on ebay which would net under $500 most likely but I ended up selling to a local coin shop today.
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Just indicate in your listing that the taxes for a NY resident is 80% and problem solved.
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