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Collecting, Cataloging And Displaying Canadian Pennies

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 Posted 05/20/2014  05:07 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add JSabatke to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I hope this is in the right forum.

I've been collecting Canadian large and small cents for some time. I have some questions about collecting that I would like opinions on.

1859 pennies are very complicated for me. I think I need a microscope with a camera to really analyze, research and catalog them. I know there is a forum for microscopes, but are there any alternatives to very expensive microscopes that will produce quality results?

My collection of small cents is pretty much complete from the late 50s on, and I'm making good progress with the older ones. Getting all the 2012 pennies cost me a fortune, but I now have them all: the 5 oz. silver, the 1/2 oz. gold plated leaves, the gold 1/25 oz., the 5 silver penny proof set, the magnetic and non-magnetic. The proof silver with gold plated leaves and the proof bronze. One question, I know it's really a bit up to me what I consider a complete set for the year, but I would like opinions if I went overboard buying the 5 oz. coin, or is that really a bullion issue? I really waffled about it and decided that if I found it at a good price I'd buy it, and I bought it just under $600 Canadian.

Another question about completeness: I know people recognize the zinc and steel pennies as collectable varieties, but I also have the proof bronze pennies. Do most collectors looking for completeness bother with the proof bronze pennies? I'll get into some of the reason for the question when I ask about albums later.

I also have all of the "modern" large cent issues (1998 proof and antiqued)and the 2011 (anniversary of the silver dollar set). Are these usually considered part of a "complete" Canadian penny collection?

Finally, I am trying to decide how to store and display my collection. For me there are a number of difficulties.
- I have coins in several different types of holders, and I'm really stuck with some of them. I have PCGS, NCG, ICCS, coin slabs like the professional services that I put the majority of my coins into, and some remain in their complete proof or test token set packaging. I am really reluctant to remove coins from proof casings in particular because with some of the sets, the pennies seem to "belong" to be displayed with the others, like the 1908-1998, 1935-2010 proof only King George V, 1911-2011 Silver dollar George V proof set. It just seems wrong to not display those sets together, because the seem special to me. So, right now I have almost all the pennies in the boxes the slab holders came in, with place-holders for the ones in proof sets saying where they are located. I suppose on option is to buy duplicate pennies and keep a separate set of proof sets. The RCM really has driven me a bit nuts with all their "special" editions, but that's the nature of collecting.

So, another question that all leads to is: I would like to put the collection into some sort of binder, but with all the graded coins from different companies, and especially all the ICCS coins I have, is there some sort of binder or album with pages that would accommodate all of those slab types. I have read about a number of album types, as well as online reviews of them, but the sales materials are very vague on how they work and if they are safe and effective for display. Ideally they should be removable for closer inspection without plastic in the way. I also can't seem to find out the dates and varieties covered in album pages with dates, varieties and common errors. I suppose I could use whatever space is available to refer to other packaging for coins in complete proof sets. I would really appreciate opinions and guidance here.

Thanks,

Jim
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 Posted 05/20/2014  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I use a USB microscope. Cost me a bit under $200 a couple of years back so probably more powerful and cheaper available now. Also check out http://www.victoriancent.com/

I consider the 5oz ones coins. At least as much as any other NCLT. Not so sure about the 1kg and larger ones though :-) By the way, the one proof 2012 is pure copper and not bronze. :-)

I treat the different finishes as different sets to collect. Circulation, Proof Like, Brilliant Uncirculated, Specimen and Proof. But I collect them all.

I consider them part of my proof 1c collection.

I use 3 ring binder pages with separate sections for 2x2s, flips and slabs. Doesn't put them in sequence but at least they're all in the same place. Proof sets stay together. I started buying individual coins as well at one point to 'complete' the binder but it was just tying up too much cash.

You can get the 3 ring binder pages for the different types of holders including slabs. Examples are http://colonialacres.com/category/4...ring-binders
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 Posted 05/20/2014  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex A to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum. It sounds like you have a great collection!

Regarding how to store and display your collection, it is very much a personal choice. The 2x2 holders are quite versatile because you can organize (or re-organize ) by date or any other theme you wish. For the ICCS coins there are plastic 3-ring binder pages available that hold 12 of the 2.5x2.5 ICCS pouches.

Several companies make folders/albums/binders (search this forum to find the discussion threads).

So bottom line = there are lots of options. Once you decide maybe you can share your method?


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$200 USB micro ?

$8 iPhone add on macro lens showing 1859 9/8

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 Posted 05/22/2014  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSabatke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the answers, they are very helpful. I realize there's no easy way to display them all together, and I do have some duplicate proofs in holders, but at this point in my life, it's really too costly to duplicate them all. I also consider proofs separate because of their different composition, I mean, it wouldn't make sense to collect both zinc and steel and not bother with bronze proofs.

I am thinking some sort of album for the single coins, and slots filled with notes to what proof sets contain the coins in the mint packaging.
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 Posted 05/22/2014  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSabatke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, and thanks for pointing out there is a 2012 copper penny. I accidentally bought it when I carelessly bought the wrong proof set version to get the silver penny with the gold plated maple leaf. When I opened it I was disappointed that I had made a mistake, then I looked at the COA carefully and saw the penny was copper, which tempered my disappointment considerably. In fact, I think having that penny intact in the proof set is the best way to prove what it is, aside from weighing it. So, after buying the gold plated double dollar set, I also acquired the silver/gold leaf penny, and now believe I have all versions.

One thing that's difficult with Canadian pennies is finding all the variations, especially since the zinc and steel ones. Even the 2003 gold plated penny was difficult to find out about, and I only discovered it on ebay, then researched it on the net.

I have a couple of sources that list pennies. One has an excellent matrix for most of the more common varieties and special coins and what kinds of sets they are found in that is (or not in sets):

http://canadasonecentcoins.blogspot...es_3483.html

They do claim all proof cents are copper prior to 2012 (they do list the 2003 gold lear) when I think I've seen bronze. I could be misinformed. This list has been hugely helpful to me.

I hadn't considered collecting specimens separately, and I think I will now. That gives me another handful to acquire in zinc and steel varieties. I think the RCM is on a mission to drive collectors into therapy *smile*.
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I strive for completeness in the small cents, in all strikes, which, if you include varieties, is impossible. I have accepted that I will never get them all, in the grades I want, but for some strikes, the thrill comes with upgrading a coin. Proof strikes (1981-2012) and proof-like strikes (1953-1976), are probably the only strikes possible to have 100% completion. For newer uncirculated (proof-like) coins struck in Ottawa (1977-2010), the 2005P non-magnetic would be the toughest.

Specimen strikes prior to 1967 are very tough to chase down, because sometimes dealers only want to sell an entire specimen set, and not specimen singles. Of course, the 1936 dot specimen is basically untouchable, and the specimen strikes from George V years are pretty darned expensive. The modern rarity is finding a 1973 specimen cent in bright 100% red.

The questions you ask, are in part the very reasons we collect - because we like something or we want to... enjoy your collection.
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 Posted 05/22/2014  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSabatke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I gathered that the old specimen strikes might be impossible, especially on my budget, but I've already got a start on the newer ones. I have filled a lot of my pennies with specimens just to have a better grade, so that's a great start, and even out of the package, specimens look so distinct that there's no doubt as to what they are. The hanging numbers, which I actually have a lot of, are another hard lot. Canada, must have had a lot of die problems in those years.

And yes, the real reason I collect is that I do enjoy my collection. I pass a lot of hours researching and just going through them an admiring them. I also enjoy showing off some of the more modern, special jewel-like specimens, like the 5 silver set 2012 pennies, or the 100 year dollar commemorative, 1998 proof and aged sets with large cents, etc. They are just so special.
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