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A Cleaning Success!

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 Posted 05/26/2014  06:32 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ThisIsFun to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Last week I unexpectedly found a coin at a jewelry store. I stopped by the store because they usually have a large number of high-end coins, tragically set in jewelry and highly polished. This time they also had a crusty bronze coin sitting in the case. A Pontos, Amisos coin depicting Perseus slaying Medusa! I already have a pretty good one but at the asking price, buying it was a no-brainer.

It had a beautiful patina of green, blue, and red but I wondered if there might be good details under the oxides.

Before:

A-Cleaning-Success!

After:

A-Cleaning-Success!

One mere scrape with a scalpel (obverse, in front of Athena's face) was enough to prove that it was the wrong approach. I exposed a tiny glint of shiny bronze (not even visible in the photo). None of those scratch marks are mine; most of those "scrapes" look like typical Pontos flan manufacturing.

Instead of mechanical debridement, I soaked the coin in vinegar, occasionally wiping with a Q-tip and scrubbing with a toothbrush. Total soaking time was several hours and two changes of vinegar as the copper oxides saturated the solution. There are still a few green and blue warts on the reverse so I might do it again.

After vinegar, a distilled water rinse and then a hot bath of sodium carbonate + sodium bicarbonate (just an hour), then another DI rinse. Dried with a hairdryer then treated with VerdiCare.

I am very pleased with this unexpected and inexpensive find!
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 Posted 05/26/2014  06:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow TIF that is nice. I haven't tried vinegar, it might be worth a shot.
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 Posted 05/26/2014  06:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ThisIsFun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was reasonably sure the vinegar would dissolve the green and blue copper oxides but for bronze coins with brown crusty rusty stuff, it probably won't help. The crispness of the details on this coin was a great surprise!

The obverse is better than the similar coin I recently purchase for five times the price! The centering on this new coin is unusually great for the type, with all major devices on the flan. The only thing missing or worn/unfilled is the Y in AMISOY.

It is not easy to find one of these which show Medusa's full body, a clear head in Perseus's hand, gushing blood, and the harpa. I am smiling ear-to ear. :)
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 Posted 05/26/2014  07:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not surprised you are grinning! Those colours are fabulous. I would keep an eye on this shop, maybe they will let you rifle through their consignments as they get them!
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 Posted 05/26/2014  07:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice work. I think you have tripled the value of this one!
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 Posted 05/26/2014  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nothing in the world can compare .......
To a lovely bronze

Juicy and rare !

(with appropriate credit to 'Wimpy')
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 Posted 05/26/2014  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Super coin, excellent job in cleaning it up.
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 Posted 05/27/2014  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i like the before AND after TIF, good either way to me.
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 Posted 05/27/2014  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I love it. What a stunning piece.
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 Posted 05/28/2014  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice!!
But I'm surprised that vinegar was not too harsh on the patina. Isn't it much like lemon or lime juice in that it will strip away the surface and leave unnatural shine/weirdness?
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 Posted 05/29/2014  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ThisIsFun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Archraz, I was surprised too. I did monitor it frequently so perhaps I just stopped at the right time, after the copper ions had been freed.

I wonder if the particular bronze alloy played a role. Many Pontos coins have a somewhat different bronze alloy compared to other ancients. The patina is different and seems to develop much more slowly.
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Sorry, I'm one of those people that make jewellery from old coins, BUT if you get a dish with white vinegar and a dish with white table salt, Dip your coin into the vinegar and then sprinkle the one side of your coin with table salt, count to 10 and then gently message for about 1 minute. Rinse with clean water and then use a polishing compound to finish the coin. Try it first on an old copper coin. This does not scratch the coin.
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 Posted 06/05/2014  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
reaching for a tissue.....
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 Posted 06/05/2014  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not something I would recommend to do on ancient coins.
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 Posted 06/05/2014  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
HMMM ... JPL Coin Care to the rescue?

https://goccf.com/t/177530

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