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 Posted 05/27/2014  09:47 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
If you aare thinking of using coins as an investment, that may be a mistake. IF you go by the Red Book for values, here is some statistics on values. I took my copy of the 2010 and the 2015 Red Book and compared values of some coins. Of course the Red Book is noted for poor pricing but this is what I came up with so far.
Liberty Head Half Dollars.
73 coins checked of miscellaneous grades.
54 went up in value
12 stayed the same
7 went down in value

Liberty Head Quarters and again of miscellaneious grades
70 coins checked
48 went up in value
19 stayed the same
3 went down in value

Liberty Walking half dollars
63 coins checked of miscellaneous grades
29 went up in value
22 stayed the same
12 went down in value

Naturally this could change based on different grades. Rather time consuming so I probably will not try with other coins but thought this was interesting.
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 Posted 05/27/2014  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add duncanbishop24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Which grades did you choose? I would probably try to look at MS grades, because silver coins at low grades will be more effected by the price of silver. Also, whether they go up or down doesn't matter too much, it matters HOW much they went up or down. I'm not asking you to do this since it's a ton of work I just thought I would add those concerns.
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 Posted 05/27/2014  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have made substantial profit from the sale of coins, but that was never my intention to do so. The sale was made 10 to 15 years after their purchase, and I just happened to get lucky. That was a long time ago, in the period 1960 to 1975. The profit was used to raise money to buy a house.

These days, from 1975 onward, I just buy what I like, covering the whole period of numismatics, over the last 2,600 years, from the invention of coinage. That gives me the whole scope of numismatics from which I can purchase what I consider the best value for money with every acquisition. With this strategy, there are always good value for money purchase options out there, from all over the World.

I am just making use of a lifetime of experience in numismatics, the only problem with that is that I am no expert in any field of numismatics. I am not a specialist; I am a generalist.

Profit wise this time around, is, that I have no intention of selling any of them. My kids will realize the profit from them, after I kick the bucket.
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 Posted 05/27/2014  1:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fioti to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can save a boat-load of time using numismedia.
Just click a particular date&mm to see a historical
performance chart, or not.
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 Posted 05/27/2014  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DB asked

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Which grades did you choose?

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Liberty Head Half Dollars.
73 coins checked of miscellaneous grades.


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Liberty Head Quarters and again of miscellaneious grades


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Liberty Walking half dollars
63 coins checked of miscellaneous grades

Thanks Just carl, interesting knowledge.


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 Posted 05/27/2014  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ sel_691,

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I am just making use of a lifetime of experience in numismatics, the only problem with that is that I am no expert in any field of numismatics. I am not a specialist; I am a generalist.

Sel, please give us a break! The CCF members know well about your valuable experience. We all have learned from your knowledge.
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 Posted 05/27/2014  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also remember that just because the price guide says $100 doesn't mean you will clear $100 when you sell it. $50 or $60 is a far better estimate. That can take a huge whack out of your 'gains'.
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 Posted 05/27/2014  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SsuperDdave recently said that coins and investing should not be included in the same sentence and I think that is dead on accurate.


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Sel, please give us a break! The CCF members know well about your valuable experience. We all have learned from your knowledge.



bpoc1, nicely said!
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 Posted 05/27/2014  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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SsuperDdave recently said that coins and investing should not be included in the same sentence and I think that is dead on accurate.


Dave is a smart man! Buy coins because you enjoy collecting and no other reason.....unless you're a dealer of course.
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 Posted 05/27/2014  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NJ Bob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I have made substantial profit from the sale of coins, but that was never my intention to do so. The sale was made 10 to 15 years after their purchase, and I just happened to get lucky. That was a long time ago, in the period 1960 to 1975. The profit was used to raise money to buy a house.


That's terrific, but I don't think that will happen again. I don't know about Australia, but that was pretty much the golden age for coin collecting in the U.S.
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 Posted 05/27/2014  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me "coin investing" is an oxymoron. There are only 2 ways I can think of to consistently make money collecting coins (or stamps) so that you could sell your collection for more than you paid:

- Develop superior knowledge of varieties and find them hidden in general material (I made money in stamps this way. Was a ton of work to learn and then locate scarcities that dealers didn't notice).

- Find and buy collections the way a dealer does, keep the pieces you want, then sell the surplus to collectors. Should make money both short and long term based on the margins. Oh, and make sure you have a few hundred thousand dollars as working capital ;-)

Beyond that, it's a hobby.
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 Posted 05/28/2014  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I noted in the original post:

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Of course the Red Book is noted for poor pricing but this is what I came up with so far.

Just that I collect them and I used to use the 2010 version for estimates. I've never sold a coin so really makes little difference what the prices are. I figured it is about time to put that 2010 baci on a shelf and start using the 2015 version for info and approximates of values. Again, since I don't sell coins, makes little difference what Guide I use for values. So for the fun of it, I started comparing prices in both the 2010 and 2015 versions. Mostly due to so many people complaining about this books values on coins just thought I'd see if they corrected anything. I could assume that due to so many coins in the ones I did check either not changing or going down, that some corrections are being made with the prices in the Red Book. Maybe not but just thought I'd check.
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