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Identifying US Coins With Bullish Futures

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 Posted 07/23/2005  09:16 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Daniel J. Goevert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Okay, let’s get something straight… I do not advocate the purchase of United States coins strictly for investment purposes. Like most traditional collectors, I believe coins are to be primarily appreciated for their artistic beauty, historical connections, and the joy of pursuing them. However, it should be no secret that a significant number of us do add to our numismatic holdings while simultaneously peeking at the payback angle, too.

In truth, there are probably substantial numbers of traditional collectors who prefer to acquire coins destined to increase in esteem and value over time; treasured heirlooms and a source of pride to be passed from one generation to the next. On the flip side of this equation, it seems implausible that anyone would buy a coin with the hope or expectation to see it stagnate or decrease in value. Indeed, any commentator who suggests the words “investment” and “coins” should never appear in close proximity to one another is ignoring a heavily populated segment of our hobby.

Now that we’ve established that it’s not numismatic heresy to seek coins with strong upside possibilities, let’s get down to basics. The guiding principle is simple: Any coin that has demonstrated solid, consistent gains over a long period of time is likely to show continued growth in the years ahead. Easily said, but as we shall soon see, not so easily put into practice.

So exactly how does a one identify coins with a potentially bullish future? The best clues are revealed by analyzing the retail value trends over a long period of time for a given coin. Observing current prices alone does not yield enough information to correctly evaluate prospective price movements. What was the coin selling for two or three years ago compared to today? Dig deeper, and find the market price for the same coin 5-10 years ago. While you’re at it, get something from 20-30 years or more in the past, too. The more good data researched, the more reliable will be your final conclusions. Now whip out your spreadsheet and chart the numbers, or compute annualized rates of return. Flat or negative trends are bad. Positive trends are good. Steep positive trends are best. Any coin displaying a proven annualized growth pattern of at least 5-10% over a span of many years qualifies as an attractive option for the collector desiring coins headed for much higher price levels a few years down the road.

During the course of my lengthy numismatic career, I’ve researched the long term value trends of most collectible US coins. Thanks to my trusty computer, I’ve calculated annualized compounded percentage return rates and honed in on a handful of coins that have consistently beaten the overall coin market averages. Unfortunately, the blue-chippers are scarcely encountered. Perhaps it is this fact that explains why so many well-intentioned hobby purists scorn the idea of blending coin collecting with the profit motive.

Individuals whose objective is to satisfy their numismatic pleasure by assembling a collection certain to be the envy of tomorrow’s collectors must do their homework today. Remember to research historic value trends and evaluate growth potential based on previous performance. One last word of advice… never loose sight of the fact that you are handling artifacts of America’s past, and that all of us are merely their temporary custodians. Respect these coins and the history they represent, and you’ll always discover new avenues of adventure not found in most other investment opportunities.
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Originally posted by Daniel J. Goevert
So exactly how does a one identify coins with a potentially bullish future? The best clues are revealed by analyzing the retail value trends over a long period of time for a given coin. Observing current prices alone does not yield enough information to correctly evaluate prospective price movements. What was the coin selling for two or three years ago compared to today? Dig deeper, and find the market price for the same coin 5-10 years ago. While you’re at it, get something from 20-30 years or more in the past, too. The more good data researched, the more reliable will be your final conclusions. Now whip out your spreadsheet and chart the numbers, or compute annualized rates of return. Flat or negative trends are bad. Positive trends are good. Steep positive trends are best. Any coin displaying a proven annualized growth pattern of at least 5-10% over a span of many years qualifies as an attractive option for the collector desiring coins headed for much higher price levels a few years down the road.


For the most part I agree with this. However, there are external factors that you did not mention.
A 20 year baseline is a solid platform, but not exactly a fair condition.
Grading came into favor in 1986, following the most massive rare coin market known to mankind. So numbers from these years are suspect at best.
Prior to 1986 there was no formal grading scale to work with, so BU simply covered too much to be considered a good starting point. What was once choice uncirculated is now MS-65 through MS-68. A lot of room there to consider.
From 1990 to date the grading took a major swing into market grading, so some issues have become favorable because of their returns, not necessarily based on past returns.
From 1999 to date, we have the largest influx of collectors into the market, thus altering the data once again. As these "new" collectors branch into mainstream collecting the trends will change considerably.
Today we know what the keys to each series are. This was not true 30 years ago. The Treasury sales blew the old system out of the water. Just ask any old dealer about the 1903-O Morgan dollar.

You conclusions that research are indeed well said. This is by far the number 1 rule that all collectors should follow. You must know your material to win in the coin market.
Investing in coins is a lot like visiting the palm readers. Loose facts and wishful thinking rule.
I personally track trends. Finding out what the dealers are stocking up on is a real good indication of future marketing. Littleton and other large mail order companies buy in massive bulk. They accumulate over a period of a few months and unleash the coins on the market driving the prices higher and higher, before falling back to normal.
TV is also a strong force in prices. They love the flash in the pan marketing. The new Bison nickels are receiving a lot of glory from this market. The coin has been released in the billions, yet because of the hype, strong prices are being pushed.
As the nickel returns to Jefferson and Monticello, you will see just how much this marketing plays into the market. Prices will sore and then level out, leaving many investors wondering what happened.
When the quarter returns to Washington and ?, you will also see a major push.
Old trends work for better date coins and better type coins, but this market is a whole new animal and must be looked at with different eyes. We have 100 million collectors looking for something. They could easily leave the market in 2009 and we would be swepted back into the 1980's when collectors were few and far in between.
My advice has not changed for a dozen years. Stick with key dates and series and let the marketers worry about the rest.
A complete Morgan dollar set in VG/better wholesaled at $3800.00 Dec 2004 and today July 2005 sells at $6250.00
The proof is in the pudding!
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Great articles and research, but I collect for fun. Seriously, a wealth nof information. I have added this site to my favorites. Thanks Daniel! Mike
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07/24/2005 10:26 pm
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Hello again ND.

Glad to hear you weighing in on this issue.

Having lived through the grading fiascos of the past, I am somewhat aware of how grading standards have morphed.

For quite some time now, I've been gathering and computing value trend data for US coins, using a 55 year time horizon. Of course MS-67 coins weren't defined in 1950, but in most cases "G-4" of today is much the same as "Good" many years ago. Many other parallels exist too.

A few months ago, I started posting value trend tables on the Net. I invite you to go over to http://www.us-coin-values-advisor.c...-prices.html and take a look. In addition to the tables, I provide a considerable explanation on the evolution of grading standards.

In general, what I have learned, not surprisingly, is that it is the key dates that have consistently shown the best price advancements over time, no matter how the grading has been skewed. Old time collectors like us have intuitively known this for a long time (and here's data to prove it), but to the uninitiated, the info in these value tables is a revelation.

My advice to anyone wanting to see their coins increase admirably in value is much like yours: stick to the key stuff... coins that collectors have consistently competed for in the past.
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Very interesting indeed. I am glad to see that you have found the forum. I have bookmarked your site for future referrence.
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