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I own a pizza shop and one of my drivers received 20 $2 bills as payment for an order. Each one of them looked like this...



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If you are like me and don't know what dogecoin is here is a link for it http://dogecoin.com/
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 Posted 05/29/2014  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dasaki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Alas this stuff is getting more and more common, there's a semi-local 'hip-hop' artist that advertises with $1 bills for example...

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While I'd never heard of him before, apparently Dusty Leigh had a Billboard top-selling single, so I had him sign one of the bills he spent for the heck of it. After all, it was only a dollar.
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 Posted 05/30/2014  12:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know about the USA, but in Mexico banknotes with political/religious/commercial slogans are non-redeemable and worthless. What's the deal in the USA?
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 Posted 05/30/2014  01:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From moneyfactory.gov:

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Defacement of currency is a violation of Title 18, Section 333 of the United States Code. Under this provision, currency defacement is generally defined as follows: Whoever mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, Federal Reserve Bank, or Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

Defacement of currency in such a way that it is made unfit for circulation comes under the jurisdiction of the United States Secret Service.

Operative phrase being "...with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued...". The wording is purposefully loose, I'd imagine. The Secret Service has better things to do than track down people who write on dollar bills.

Not sure if that answers the question but no one's going to get in trouble and tellers aren't going to refuse to take them. Now, when they're deposited at the bank, they may not make it back out into circulation.

@Dasalo - is that Dusty Leigh dollar in a protective sleeve?

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@blackandgold - yes, that's a shame to stamp a crisp $2 bill like that. . If it were worn, perhaps not. He should be fined in Dogecoins.
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Yes, Celtic, it is. I assure you, it's not to protect the Dusty note, but to protect the rest of my notes from the low-quality black ink used in the stamp.
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I assure you, it's not to protect the Dusty note, but to protect the rest of my notes from the low-quality black ink used in the stamp.

ha! Well played.
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CelticKnot I agree with the Dogecoin fine!
This is all of them. Some are crisp, some are not. He was excited that someone paid with $2 bills until he noticed the stamp. He still kept them though.


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Mom had several $2 bills that came through her store that she had set back. I told her there was no reason to keep them so she deposited them at the bank. They were from Series 1976, 1995 and 2003 with ordinary serial numbers.

A couple had a rubber stamp mark, others were written on in ink or permanent marker, one had scribble marks from an ink pen. A few were in rough shape but intact.

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 Posted 05/30/2014  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wiggam007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the real section you have to worry about with this though:


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18 U.S.C.A. ยง 475. Imitating obligations or securities; advertisements

Whoever designs, engraves, prints, makes, or executes, or utters, issues, distributes, circulates, or uses any business or professional card, notice, placard, circular, handbill, or advertisement in the likeness or similitude of any obligation or security of the United States issued under or authorized by any Act of Congress or writes, prints, or otherwise impresses upon or attaches to any such instrument, obligation, or security, or any coin of the United States, any business or professional card, notice, or advertisement, or any notice or advertisement whatever, shall be fined under this title. Nothing in this section applies to evidence of postage payment approved by the United States Postal Service.


This section does not have such a loose interpretation and they would be violating it. This is the section that the Where's George guys got into trouble with because they had items for sale on their website and thus the stamping of the notes was considered advertising.

(Note that this was originally passed in 1946, so all those older coins that you see with business names stamped into them, know that it was fine for those guys, probably not so much now.)
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 Posted 05/30/2014  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blackandgold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sounds like Dusty Leigh might want to start handing out business cards instead dollar bills...
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This reminds me of a story I heard.

I believe it happened in Zimbabwe, or some other African country:

One business owner, instead of paying for business cards, simply ordered billions of dollars from said country (worth close to nothing because of inflation) and stamped his business information on the banknotes to save money.

He was arrested when it was discovered.
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Whatever the outcome, it's a crime to put that ugly stamp on a gorgeous $2 note.
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If only there was a place you could go to get $2 bills, like a bank.
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Ah, sarcasm. I wish more people used it these days.
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Ah, sarcasm. I wish more people used it these days.



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