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Please grade.
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Newbie here=============

Not qualified to grade.

Just to say WOW

Oh-----

I've never seen one. How big is it?

About the size of a dime?

And one more WOW
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I'd grade it AU-58.
At 12.7 mm, the Type 1 gold dollars were the smallest of all US coins. Even smaller than a silver Trime!
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AU-50 but I'm not totally convinced this one is genuine. I don't like the hair detail, denticals on the reverse rim, mushy LIBERTY, and grainy appearance. These coins were heavily counterfeited in the 1950's and 60's in Lebanon.
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One more pic without lustre.
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AU58
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AU range. I see no huge red flags but these were faked in large numbers. Be VERY careful buying these raw.
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I know,that are a lot of counterfeit US gold coins in high quality,I saw some of them,but this one seems for me
ok.Of course I can mistake,and if some one see some problems with this coin,please tell me.
I appreciate all answers,thank you!I totally agree with grade AU
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I know nothing about these coins but doesn't the spacing of the characters bother anyone? Or was this how it was back 150 years ago?

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I have to agree with IndianGoldEagle, unfortunately.

Because of their small size these coins were heavily copied for jewelry purposes, sometimes in gold that was purer than the .900 gold than that from which the authentic coins were made from!

I have a pure gold copy of a South African Sammy Marks gold 'tickey' threepenny piece, which is of about the same size as this coin. My coin is worth it's weight in gold only; the authentic gold 'tickeys' are worth $ thousands each.

They are sometimes referred to as 'jewelry copies'. The rim denticles are much better defined and longer on this coin than the authentic examples shown in
PCGS Photograde.
Oddly enough this coin is BETTER in this regard than on authentic gold dollars! (compare)

For grade, AU58 seems to be about right for this one.
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I'll try to think logicalI've compared pics. from here:
http://numismatics.org/collection/1908.93.7
http://www.coindatabase.com/coin_de...?cdb=K001013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_dollar
I saw jewelers copies,they are all not in such good quality.It's very difficult to repeat such small details.Even with technology now,you can see china's copies,they are ugly.This is common day,1950's and 60's gold wasn't very high,how needs to make so good copies?
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AU-50 but I'm not totally convinced this one is genuine. I don't like the hair detail, denticals on the reverse rim, mushy LIBERTY, and grainy appearance. These coins were heavily counterfeited in the 1950's and 60's in Lebanon

I have three type 1 to compare with and still can't spot what is wrong with this coin and would like to be educated on this matters.
10 Years ago I bought a half eagle from another forum member and at the time he told me it may not me genuine and sold it to me for spot. I took it to my LCS and within just minutes the dealer told me it was a counterfeit from the Middle East. He bought it from me for spot(as a favor) and was going to have it melted. Looking back I wish I had kept the coin for education purpose.
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Does anyone have a pics. of a 100% Middle East counterfeit dollar type 1 ?
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I've done a little investigation
That's what I found.This pic. shows me the same error details,that I have on my coin.What do you think about it?
http://www.coincommunity.com/coin_h...ad_type1.asp
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