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Need Help To Identify For 3 Crusader Coins

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 Posted 06/24/2014  7:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add theologos09 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Will be happy to find out any kind of information about them. Thank you in advance!

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 Posted 06/25/2014  08:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Indeed templar coins.
Please browse this site :
http://www.ancientresource.com/lots...r_coins.html
http://www.ancientresource.com/lots/medieval.html
for the other coins :
http://www.ancientresource.com/lots...s_coins.html
Nice coins!!
Sharper pictures may help the identification
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06/25/2014 08:14 am
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 Posted 06/25/2014  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Neither these coins, nor the ones in the links given above, are "Knights Templar" coins. The Knights Templar were a wealthy order but they were landless; they had no mint of their own and had no coins struck in their name. The coins in the link above are all French, struck by the king who helped wipe the Templars out. That coin dealer is simply using the famous Templar name to sell more coins.

Theologos09's coins, on the other hand, are however from a Crusader State: the Principality of Achaea, which comprised what is now peninsular Greece. The design, with the temple-church-castle-throne-crown thing on it, is copied from the French denier tournois coin shown in the link above, but the inscription around it on the three coins above reads "DE CLARENCIA" - the city of Clarence (now known as Glarenza) being the designated mint-city for the principality, even though many of the coins were not actually struck there.

The Prince (or Princess) at the time is named on the other side. This website is a reasonable summary of types. I believe you have:

Top left: Philip of Taranto

Top right: Florent of Hainaut

Bottom: too hard to read.
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 Posted 06/25/2014  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add theologos09 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thank you very much soo good information.
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 Posted 06/26/2014  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
templar or not templar, that is the question.
It is clear to me that all the experts contradict each other.
The Knights were powerfull in the period that these coins were used.
On internet can both arguments be found.
The big mistake on identifying these coins is the confusion between the 'crusaders' and 'Knights templar'
http://archaicwonder.tumblr.com/pos...philip-iv-le
About Knights templar coins : http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/in...topic=243519
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> templar or not templar, that is the question.
> It is clear to me that all the experts contradict each other.

Nope. When someone calls a French coin a Knights Templar coin, they are not to be taken seriously. Marketing nonsense is not the same thing as an expert's opinion.
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The Knights Templar are mentioned because the coins were minted by Philip
IV of France and the Templars were the bankers who protected the coins
for pilgrims and crusaders as they traveled from Europe to the Holy Land.
That is what I got as an answer from a French expert in mediƫval coins.
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