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I know the odds are not good at all of this being a 2 Cent clash but it does seem to look like the case in my opinion. The reason for my skepticism and soon to be others, I would imagine, is the date on this shield is 1882...  |
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Oh sorry. Put your focus on the center of 5 for what appears to be a 2...
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We need heckuva lot better pictures to tell with any certainty.
Now to answer your question. According to what you describe, the two dies would have to be reverse dies. I can probably assume that they were the anvil dies that don't move, so a clash is pretty much impossible. Keep looking. I'm sure you'll find something someday.
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Now another possibility is that the coin rotated around 180 degrees in the collar so that the 5 was upside down. Then there was a second strike, or there was a brokage, and the reverse of an 1882 nickel impressed itself into the die. Nickel is a strong metal and the dies of that period were not strong enough the effectively punch nickels. The dies were replaced very often due to breakage, which is why there are so many RPDs and DDOs in the Shield nickel series. |
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Thank you for your reply and I was definetely in the state of mind that there was not a big possibility that a clash of a different denomination, 10 yrs after it's last production, would end up floating around haha! If there was such a thing it would more than likely be because of a bored mint employee...which has happened in the very distant past I believe. Either way, I'll work on a better picture to see if it sheds some light on this fading topic lol!
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Only problem with this theory is two reverse dies (anvil) can't go into the press at the same time, the Upper die (hammer) is a different locking system so impossible to be two reverse dies clashing together. I'm betting more likely die cracks that have made the 5 look like there was a two added.
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Can you say for sure which die (obv or rev) was the anvil die for the 2 cent and the Shield nickel? And is there a possibility that the obv/rev and hammer/anvil arrangements stayed the same through out the entire run of the series? The real problem with trying to say this is a clash, counterclash, or dual denomination clash etc. is the condition of the coin. In order to really prove your claims you would have to show a relatively high grade example for confirmation. A coin in lower grade or with corrosion is very difficult to convincingly prove a discovery coin. |
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True I can't say positively the anvil die was the reverse, I wasn't there, and I know of no photos of the mints operation from that era. But everything I've read or researched said that. Agreed on the condition of this coin as well, even without clearer photos, the coin appears to have corrosion and that makes clash section very difficult at the least.
There have been a lot of expert collectors and researchers over the years in both series and none have been reported yet. Not to say it couldn't happen, just that it is extremely unlikely after so long of a period with various experts researching these series, such as Allan Mehrig, Kevin Flynn, Myron Kliman, Frank Leone, Ed Fletcher, Bill Fivaz, etc.
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A the OP originally pointed out, this coin is dated 1882, 9 years after the 2-cent series ended in 1873 (or 1872 for circulation strikes), so such a coin is a virtual impossibility to exist.
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I also do not see it .... Quote:
9 years after the 2-cent series ended in 1873 (or 1872 for circulation strikes), so such a coin is a virtual impossibility to exist Glad you said virtually!   My 1900 o over CC VAM 8a. Minted 7 years after Carson City put out its last coin!! |
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