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I got this disintegrating note from my grandma several years ago, I put it away and didn't see it again until now. It suffered from poor storage during my hoarder (not collector) years. Quite amazing she put away 10000 in 1979, that was a lot of money back then. I couldn't find anything about it not having serial numbers, every picture I see has a serial on the top right of the building.   By the way, I use this site as a reference: http://www.uang-kuno.com/2008/03/1975-1979.htmlEdit: Anyone? Anyone know if this might be an error or that serials on paper money can be erased like serials in polymer? Yesterday I sent an email to dr. Arifin, the guy who owns the Uang Kuno website, I hope I hear back with his opinion. Edited by Altaira
07/02/2014 12:20 am
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I spent a little time trying to find an answer as well but had no luck yet either. Ill continue to look. If your call back helps let me know as I am now intrigued myself.
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It certainly looks well circulated and, as you say, no serial nos top right or bottom left.
I would suggest it was a mint error. Perhaps your grandma ofered it in payment for something but someone pointed out the error and perhaps frightened her into thinking that the bank might confiscate it (as they would with a forgery)?
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The difficult thing about Indonesian currency is that there isn't a lot of people dedicated to studying them, so there isn't a lot of info available.
The banknote is so well circulated, with the added poor storage, it is literally disintegrating now. Hopefully placing it in a banknote holder will slow that down. I'm thinking of forwarding the pic to a Canadian member, he has a software that he can use to analyse pictures, and probably guess if the serials were removed physically (scrubbed off or something like that).
I'll update here if Uang Kuno replies. Hopefully he will, his blog is still active and regularly updated.
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I've received the reply from the Canadian member, he ran a picture of the note through his program and there doesn't appear to be traces of a serial number or evidence of tampering. I'm hoping it's real, not just because the wear is hiding it. Do you think I could send it to a TPG to find out for sure? Nothing from Uang Kuno yet, I think he is busy since he hasn't replied to the comments on his blog since his last article update either. I hope he does check and relpy to question emails, since he didn't say whether he does or doesn't. |
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Brought it to a museum to compare to what they had. NOTHING. All of their displayed stuff have (proper) serials unless it's a specimen. Specimens have unrealistic serials or "specimen" stamped on where the serials should be. Would my best bet now would be a TPG? |
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Maybe, but I've heard serial numbers can be chemically removed (because they are printed separately so the ink might be different or something).
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Why would anyone chemically remove the serial number? If that was done after issue when the note would be unc I could understand but then to put it into circulation is a total waste of time and of no commercial value. I still think this was a mint error and passed inspection and then suffered heavy circulation. As for a TPG? Would it be commercially viable (considering its condition)? I think you would be wasting your money. |
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I have seen serials removed from polymer bills using acetone but I have yet to see it removed from paper. I guess you're right, there isn't much point of removing them anyway if they're going to be or already circulated. Mint error is the most likely answer. I looked values up and it's worth less then $3 in this condition, and the cost of TPG is a bit out of my price range.I'll keep it this way for now. |
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Re: you have seen serials removed from polymer notes with acetone, which country and denomination are you talking about? Just tried it on a Malaysia 1 Ringgit polymer but didn't come off.
The only instance I know of a serial number being easily removed was the 2002 British five pound note. This was on paper but the serial number was printed on top of the varnished paper which meant it could be easily rubbed off even by finger. These were quickly recalled (but I still managed to grab one). The next issue had the serial number printed before the varnish was applied.
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I have partially rubbed serials off from Canadian $5 bills before. Not enough to make it a missing number, I just did it lightly on one of the numbers. You can also use acetone to take off the intaglio. I think it works too for higher denominations because they are printed the same way.
I wish I was old enough to try it on Indonesian ones, but I was too young to be holding Rp 100000 bills when the polymer ones were circulating. The intaglio didn't survive very long though, being passed around in the wet market constantly tends to make it fall off somehow.
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I just received a reply from dr. Arifin and he suspects the note of being washed. He said if I could photograph it under an UV lamp he might be able to tell if it's authentic. In this condition value is around 100-200 thousand (around CAN$8-17) if it's real, and that's less than what a TPG costs so I definitely won't send it in. Well, time to hit the post office. I don't have an UV lamp. |
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My note is a COUNTERFEIT... There was an Indonesian dealer at the expo and I asked his opinion of it. He said counterfeit and compared it to an UNC real note. This one looks pretty crude in comparison. See the blank spot above the year? In the real one there is a yellow Garuda in it. The man's headband has no detail when compared to the real one. The other lines are also faded out, like in his shirt. On the bottom left corner of the obverse the circle with the BI in it is not joined (there is a "break" in the circle). The colour of the reverse is just overall not so well done, there are lots of lines where they are not supposed to be and vice versa. There is no watermark (why didn't I check this before?  ) Amazing that nobody noticed for so long. But this was big money, a lot of people wouldn't have been too familiar with it.   Edited by Altaira
10/04/2014 5:56 pm
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Took it to another dealer for a second opinion and he also said it was counterfeit since the printing was too rough for a real banknote. Oh well. It would be my first error note if it isn't fake.
Kinda leads me to wonder, why did they not print a serial number to make it more real-looking in the first place?
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10/11/2014 01:57 am
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