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 Posted 07/05/2014  11:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I think he actually has shills bidding against shills on this one. Notice you can't scroll over the main listing photo to get a good look at it...or the reverse, only the slabs.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-NO-D-L...t_1668wt_900

It looks severely cleaned to me, and would be WAY to risky to purchase.

Now to play devil's advocate. Would he be silly enough to clean a coin with the potential value as this one? Looks AU from the reverse (sweet) and could be worth 4-5k if not cleaned. Do his photos make coins look brighter? How are his photos usually compared to what you actually receive?
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 Posted 07/05/2014  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
75 negative feedbacks in the past year.
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 Posted 07/05/2014  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JoshHellcat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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75 negative feedbacks in the past year.

Out of almost 17,000 feedbacks, that is pretty good. I would think that as an established dealer, this is more than likely legit. However, you wouldn't see me spend that kind of dough without physically seeing a coin first, no matter what.
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 Posted 07/05/2014  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He buys problem coins and slabs them in his basement, so he may not have been the one that abused this coin. Any reputable seller would use a camera and take quality photos of the coins they sell. This guy uses a cheap low res scanner.

Nearly all the negative feedback is for SNAD. Any guesses as to how many people gave positive feedback not even knowing the coin they received is over-graded and cleaned? Stay far away from this one.
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 Posted 07/05/2014  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Crack out artist, he buys cleaned and problem coins, cracks them out of legit slabs and self slabs them as problem free coins. Illegal? No, Unethical? yes.
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 Posted 07/05/2014  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Out of almost 17,000 feedbacks, that is pretty good. I would think that as an established dealer, this is more than likely legit. However, you wouldn't see me spend that kind of dough without physically seeing a coin first, no matter what.


17 Negs in one year isn't good regardless of how many auctions you've had. And this seller is notorious around here - hence the use of his username in the thread title, with the expectation that we'll all know what edweather is talking about. And we do.

Although it's reasonable to expect the coin is genuine - this guy was a finalist at the PCGS World Series of Grading a few years back, and he knows his stuff - if it's in one of his slabs you can expect it to be a Details coin or at best severely overgraded.
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 Posted 07/05/2014  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The guy has found a "market" on ebay that he serves well. Problem coins served up in kool, slick homemade slabs, to unsuspecting collectors, looking for that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

As fast as customers get burned and leave, new ones are standing in line to take their place.

He has a business model that works for him. After all, what's a "few" negs when he has thousands of positives to offset them?

That's the way ebay looks at it, unfortunately.



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 Posted 07/05/2014  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A dishonest individual. He chooses profit over honesty and integrity. IMO his negatives far outweigh his positives. Like was said, a lot of his positive feedback probably comes from unsuspecting buyers.
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I don't care if he had 100% positive feedback, if someone's selling a rare coin in a junk slab and with blurry scanner pics, I'm not taking any chances.
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Yeah, just the fact that THAT coin is in HIS slab, is all I need to know. Details, details, details.
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 Posted 07/05/2014  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How about centsles' BBB rating, on the scale of A+ to F he scored an F, http://www.bbb.org/central-florida/...fl-224810178
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 Posted 07/05/2014  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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...on the scale of A+ to F he scored an F
That's probably a better judge than ebay feedback.
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 Posted 07/05/2014  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im certainly not defending centsles, as I would NEVER buy anything from that scam artist, but giving him an F rating based off of ONE review does not mean anything either.
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 Posted 07/06/2014  02:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Especially since in the complaint they claimed the coin was a fake but NGC said it was authentic. OK the NNC slab indicated it was on a silver dime planchet and it was actually on a silver quarter planchet. Since it would have been obvious from the ebay picture he bought it from that it wasn't on a dime so I don't think he had much of a complaint on those grounds. The complainant even says that as a 1965 on a silver quarter planchet it was worth what he paid for it.
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I've never done business with him and never would.

ebay is his enabler. They let him get by with what he does because he contributes a huge chunk of money to ebay.

They could care less about the complaints as long as he addresses them within the framework of ebay's policies.

He'll eventually hack off the wrong person and end up in court (or worse). It always works that way as karma is a funny thing.
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 Posted 07/06/2014  02:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's interesting...I didn't realize he got an F for just one complaint.
I often refer to BBB before I do business, and haven't seen many with an F rating.
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