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Can we safely say a supposedly silver coin that doesn't ring silver is a counterfeit ? Basically can a coin be silver and not sound silver with ring test ? Also can there be a a difference in intensity of the ring based on the purity ?

I know passing silver ring test doesn't guarantee a genuine coin.
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In my experience, the lower the purity of the silver, the duller the ring.
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The ring tone of ANY coin is dependent on MANY factors.

The only thing that you can be guaranteed of is that coins of the same design and alloy should ring with EXACTLY the same pitch.

The factors that affect pitch include
- coin thickness
- coin diameter
- alloy

Generally speaking, the denser the alloy, the deeper the pitch with of coins of the same thickness and diameter. However, the pitch of coins of the same alloy but different diameter and / or thickness will have different ring sounds.

This applies mainly to modern struck coins.
Ancient and cast coins (these are often fakes) have usually have no ring sound or at least very dull.

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The comparative ring tone test is a very reliable test that is useful in detecting fake coins, but it should not be used as the ONLY test. This test can be a trifle cumbersome, but with a little developed skill, is very easily carried out.

METHOD:
Set a small pillow or other soft surface under your hands. Balance the 'fake' on the tip pf your finger. Gently tap the edge of the coin with any other coin, and listen for pitch tone. Do the same with the known genuine coin and also listen carefully.
If the pitch sounds to be exactly the same, there is an excellent chance that the 'fake' coin is genuine; if the pitch is different, the 'fake' coin is almost certainly confirmed as fake.

The reason for the pillow is that the coin could easily fall off your finger and it needs a soft landing to avoid rim damage.

To avoid finger prints on mirror proof coins, use gloves.
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Thanks, sel_69l, for the method.

Somewhere I had gotten the idea that you tapped the coin with a pencil. Tapping it with another coin makes more sense.

(I wonder if that other coin need be silver)?



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You could use any coin, but I prefer a coin with similar mass to the one being tapped. A too light coin will not make it ring nice and loud, a too heavy coin will have too much energy and the coin being tapped might fall.
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Basically can a coin be silver and not sound silver with ring test ?
Yes. The coin in question has to have all the factors of a "normal" coin,weight diameter and thickness.If after dropping it on a table it sounds "off" then try the tissue test.
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If the coin has a flan flaw that would also effect the ring.
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Ring presumes uniform density - a void or crack in the flan could cause a silver coin to ring poorly.

I wonder if tuning forks could be developed for each different denomination (each standard) and thereby create a more "scientific" and verifiable trial?
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