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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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A lot of people use cash for other reasons too... wanting to fly under the radar or they spend their money where credit/debit is not an option.
Personally, I'm with the OP -- I rarely spend cash. 95% or more of my transactions are electronic.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1158 Posts |
People could still spend just as much cash without pennies and nickels!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
12437 Posts |
Quote: What is crazy is that we taxpayers lose about $100 million a year minting pennies and nickels that cost more to make than their face value.
Contrary to popular belief, no one is losing anything. The seigniorage for the other denominations plus numismatic and bullion sales creates an annual profit for the Mint which is then returned to the Treasury General Fund every year, an amount that totaled $392 million for FY2013.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: Why does the US mint so many billions of coins every year? Because billions of coins end up in change jars and trash cans, never to be seen again. This especially applies to the cents. Notice that mintage numbers were lower during the recession as people cashed in their change jars. Quote: Contrary to popular belief, no one is losing anything. The seigniorage for the other denominations plus numismatic and bullion sales creates an annual profit for the Mint which is then returned to the Treasury General Fund every year, an amount that totaled $392 million for FY2013. And that profit was even greater when the dollar coins were still being minted for circulation.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Contrary to popular belief, no one is losing anything. The seigniorage for the other denominations plus numismatic and bullion sales creates an annual profit for the Mint which is then returned to the Treasury General Fund every year, an amount that totaled $392 million for FY2013. That means we would have had a $497 million increase without pennies and nickels. Implying that the loss from minting pennies and nickels doesn't count because they didn't send us into the red is like saying your taxes were free because they didn't take more than 100% of your paycheck. Yes, we still come out ahead on minting as a whole, but the $100 million expense is very real.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The mint and the BEP, mint coinage and print bills according to demand by the Federal Reserve Banks. It is up to the Federal Reserve banks to make sure there is a sufficient supply of coins and currency to meet the demand of the U.S. populus. Obviously, for whatever reason, the demand is there. Quote: I use a debit or credit card for almost all of my purchase and have only paid in cash two or three times in the past year. The same is true for all the people who I am around. Quote: I don't get how it makes sense or is safe to carry all of your cash on hand, but it seems like the majority of the people where I live do just that. It is always completely astounding is people's (especially young people) total and complete willingness in allowing their complete financial history and present financial activities to be tracked and stored by numerous companies on numerous data bases around the world. Cash is anonymous, debit cards are an Orwellian nightmare. Every place you go, everything you buy, every last little thing you do during the day is tracked and stored through your debit card. Using your debit card subjects your entire day to day life to scrutiny and is only one secret subpoena away from being complete government knowledge. I have nothing to hide, but I am certainly not about to turn my entire everyday life over to the possible scrutiny of the Gov't. Banks are a necessary evil, the IRS is a necessary  evil, but the gov't doesn't need to know that I bought a large black coffee, traveled down I90 toll road to work, stopped at Hess for gas, ate lunch at Taco Bell , stop on the way home to buy a new package of boxer/briefs at Wal Mart before stopping at Wegmans for dinner before arriving home for the night. That is why people use cash.
Edited by denco7 07/07/2014 1:13 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1158 Posts |
The govt has too much data to mine through to care that you went to Walmart or bought a coffee. That's not what they do. Besides, there's enough camera, phone and gps footage to track you if they decide you are worth watching. Walmart security cameras already have footage of you paying cash for your undies with a timestamp and your phone (or worst case satellite footage) would tell the police where you were.
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Valued Member
United States
105 Posts |
My take:
I feel like the public is never going to accept the dollar coin, unless the dollar bill is flat out killed.
Are people going to complain? Yes. But are they going to riot and go on strike until the dollar bill returns? Probably not. They're going to use it since it's going to be the only thing available, and it'll become the norm.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: Implying that the loss from minting pennies and nickels doesn't count because they didn't send us into the red is like saying your taxes were free because they didn't take more than 100% of your paycheck. Your analogy is completely illogical. The money I pay in taxes is money that I have earned regardless of the taxation rate, it never belonged to the Federal Government and they are the ones taking it from me as a wage earner. The sole job of the US Mint is to produce coinage for the nation's commerce needs and they require zero tax dollars to do so. Making a profit is not part of their job description so anything in the black is a positive and does no harm to the taxpayer at all.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1158 Posts |
taxes was just an example. It could be your car payment or water bill. The argument was not about taxes, it was that an expense doesn't just get cancelled by income. An expense reduces income.
It does harm to taxpayers in that we are spending 100 million on pennies and nickels we probably don't need that could go elsewhere. Or on the reverse, we are paying 100 million more in taxes collectively than we could be because the govt still thinks we want these coins. (Of course we wouldn't really get lower taxes, but you know what I mean!)
I get what you are saying, the Mint is not a net loss, but it is still operating less efficiently than it could.
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Valued Member
United States
415 Posts |
Denco 7- (not sure how to quote on here, don't see a button for it) If your wallet gets lost or stolen and you only buy things with cash, you are out of luck getting that cash back. It's gone forever. If I lose my wallet, however, I can just call up my bank and have all my cards frozen, money is safe and sound. And even if someone did use my cards before I cancelled them, I could dispute the charges and get my money back. I honestly could not care less if the government is tracking what I spend. I don't see my purchases at Wal Mart, Gas Stations, and Amazon raising too many red flags.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Contrary to popular belief, no one is losing anything. The seigniorage for the other denominations plus numismatic and bullion sales creates an annual profit for the Mint which is then returned to the Treasury General Fund every year, an amount that totaled $392 million for FY2013. It's impossible to throw millions of dollars in the trash each year and then say no one is losing anything. everytime they make a penny everyone is a little poorer. Everytime some spends a penny we are all a little poorer. Everytime we have to make another truck or railroad car to haul more pennies we are all a little poorer. everytime they smelt more zinc in Tennessee we are all a little poorer and breathe a little worse air with a little more CO2 in it. If only there were a real champion of the enviroment rather than a city full of opportunists and adherents of the status quo.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
2805 Posts |
Quote: The thought of having purchases rounded up just sticks in my craw. I've done the math, and it wouldn't be much over the course of a year, but it still strikes me as a hidden tax on the consumer. O.K., as usual, prices are rounded up or down, to the nearest multiple of .05 or .10. The net effect to you is zero.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: I feel like the public is never going to accept the dollar coin, unless the dollar bill is flat out killed.
Are people going to complain? Yes. But are they going to riot and go on strike until the dollar bill returns? Probably not. They're going to use it since it's going to be the only thing available, and it'll become the norm. Right on! This is exactly what Canada did. Last time I checked, they did not succumb to civil war or collapse. They are still up there and generally happy.  Quote: It's impossible to throw millions of dollars in the trash each year and then say no one is losing anything. everytime they make a penny everyone is a little poorer. Everytime some spends a penny we are all a little poorer. Everytime we have to make another truck or railroad car to haul more pennies we are all a little poorer. everytime they smelt more zinc in Tennessee we are all a little poorer and breathe a little worse air with a little more CO2 in it. Quoted for truth. Well said.  Quote: O.K., as usual, prices are rounded up or down, to the nearest multiple of .05 or .10. The net effect to you is zero. Beat me to it. 
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Valued Member
United States
125 Posts |
I have used plastic perhaps twice in the past 6 years, and I always pay cash. I never spend my change (wonder why that is?), so I suppose that could be just one answer to the question of the topic. I just wait until my change gets really absurd (read: HEAVY) and then I'll eventually wrap them all and take them to the bank for paper dollars. It's a good way to "save" your money and then in the end when you cash it in you realize you had more money than you thought! I've been accumulating tons of quarters from drinks at the vending machines at school and small things at work. It will feel good when I finally get around to cashing them!
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