The first is post-strike damage. It took a hit and some surface medal was displaced.
The second appears to be a genuine clip though it is so worn, we may never be able to determine that for sure. Could you get some more close-ups of the area in question. The tapering of the design rim is correct but what I would be looking for is metal flow along the clip itself. It is impossible to have the Blakesley Effect without a clip, or pre-upset blank distortion.
The second appears to be a genuine clip though it is so worn, we may never be able to determine that for sure. Could you get some more close-ups of the area in question. The tapering of the design rim is correct but what I would be looking for is metal flow along the clip itself. It is impossible to have the Blakesley Effect without a clip, or pre-upset blank distortion.

























