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1889-S Morgan Dollar -- Your Grade And VAM

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 Posted 08/12/2007  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vaslin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Ben! At least you picked a coin with few VAMs!
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 Posted 08/13/2007  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greyhav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow AU-55? Am I overreacting to all the high points of the hair, the breast and right wing tips of the eagle (the ANA points for EF).

I'm new to looking at these coins. Maybe I haven't seen enough high grade ones to know what to expect.
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 Posted 08/13/2007  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vaslin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think you're overreacting too much, I would have never thought 55 due to the flatness of the hair above the ear.
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 Posted 08/13/2007  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It probably can be attributed to "Market Grading" or because the submitter was a regular well known large lot submitter. One interesting hidden aspect of the TPG industry is the number of repeat customers and who they are. Here is a fictional scenario...

My name is Big Money Ben and I'm a friendly giant in the numismatic hobby, everyone likes me, I've got lots of coins, and give free advice/information out to those who ask. Now, I've decided to submit a 1000 coin Morgan dollar lot to TPG 1 co. for grading and attribution, might get a special price. I do and the wait begins. The coins come back far less than what I was expecting, hmmmm not happy... So after letting the 'word' leak out about my dissatisfaction with TPG 1 on cyber chat rooms and internet mailing lists I crack the 1000 coins out and resubmit them to TPG 2. I prepare the necessary paperwork and resubmit the now cracked-out Morgan dollars. Now TPG 2 is no fool and has eyes and ears in cyber coin land and heard what happened to an individual who submitted a very large lot recently. They also know that a happy submitter is a repeat submitter so...

Big Money Ben gets his coins back from TPG 2 and they are fantastic. He's elated and shouts aloud from on high (In CAPPS, LOL) in the cyber coin communities about how great the services of TPG 2 are and encourages everyone to use them over TPG 1.

Here's where it gets funny. Big Money Ben didn't have all that money and wasn't such a good guy in real life. He has a gambling problem and has borrowed a lot of money in the hopes of reselling the coins which are graded much higher than they should be. He sells them like hotcakes on ebay. The money rolls in and he is considered a great guy because he's letting the little guy get the chance to own one of his grandiosely graded silver dollars. There may even be a special sticker put on the slab indicating it's a Big Money Ben coin too, LOL...

Now you can see how an XF-45 coin can be in an AU-55 slab.

Take Care
No Money Ben
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