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What Is A Good Way To Collect Ancient Coins.

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 Posted 07/24/2014  10:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am starting to get a few ancient coins. It has me wondering if there is a way most collect ancient coins.

For example.
Only collect roman or certain rulers and wives.
Maybe different empires.

I am thinking, somewhere I read there are five good roman emperors
If this is right, maybe I would start something easy and search for those five.
Seems like it hey were Trajan, Hadrian, Antoninnus (sp) and Marcus Aurelus ... Sorry if I have the order or spelling wrong .. And will have to search to see if these are right and figure out who the fifth one was.

Or do some just try and get coins from the more well known rulers.

Are there key coins to watch for?

Not sure if a question like this has been asked before ... Just hoping to get some basic opinions.
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Your 'missing' emperor would be Nerva who reigned for two years before Trajan. People collect ancients in any number of ways and no one way is better than another. Knowing a bit of the history of the different periods is always a plus too ! Don't forget that from the early Roman Republican period to the late empire of the 5th century you are covering over 700 years. If you now throw in the Greeks and the later Byzantine empire you are covering over 1500 years ! Unless you have really deep pockets you will never run out of ideas on what to look for.
My advice is to look for things that have "eye appeal" and of course wait for a nice price. The same coin sold by ten different sellers will have 25 different prices ! It can be much like trying to buy a rug at a Baghdad bazaar !
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I am looking at some right now


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Pics are from my IPad ...first time using IPad for pics

These are the ones I am interested in



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Shame the seller has them "trapped" in those "Holders". If you were to buy one of them, you'd have to carefully prize open the Staples to get the coin out.
In that scenario the seller may add the value of the coin being in a "Holder".

Lucilla is always popular. That one looks by its size to be an As(sarius).

Patina counts (providing it is real), though if it is just "bare metal" but no corrosion it is okay.
There is "bare metal" in the the sense of the coin being "barely circulated and being from a Hoard" and "bare metal" in the coin having the life Zapped out of it in an Electrolysis tank.
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Pick a common coin type and do a collection by die pair and variety
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GR58: I am in a similar boat as you, as I just started getting more ancient coins in my collection. So far I have just been getting what ever I am interested in. If I like the design, if I am interested in the area/empire it is from, if it is from a ruler I have an interest in I'll purchase it. It has given me an odd looking collection, of approximately 50 different pieces, but given that there are so many different coins over such a huge period of time I figured I'd just start with what I like and go from there.
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that's basically been my game plan as well allranger. as of late of shifted to filling in the gaps in my broad collection of ancients. I hadn't picked up a coin of domitian..so I went looking for one of those lately. didn't have an indian punchmark..so picked up that.

for now....just go with what you like and fits your budget.
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Always proceed with caution. With very few exceptions you are unlikely to find something extraordinarily rare when looking through the inventory of your 'average' dealer. I never worried too much about rarities but whether the coin had appeal. I would take a common type in XF over an overpriced rarity that looked like "road kill". Collecting is about pleasing yourself ...... Not someone else !
Personally I have concentrated on bronze and try to stay clear of things that sparkle and shine too much (ie silver & gold).
My only other recommendation is try to go slow and don't get to anxious about amassing a large collection too fast ! Haste makes waste !
One little gem bought for $100 will probably give you more satisfaction than a whole litter of 'puppies'.
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 Posted 07/24/2014  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As others have said, there are many different "ways" to collect ancients. You are not required to drill down and focus on a specific area; though many collectors do and are happy doing so, many others are just as happy being vague generalists (like me).

If you do decide on a theme of some kind, there are many to choose from, though be aware that some themes are more popular than others and, as with all other areas of collecting, "popularity" means demand, and demand means higher prices.

The two most popular "themes", especially for those just starting out in ancients or coming into it from modern coin collecting, are "Biblical coins" - coin types, coins from places or coins issued by people specifically named in the Bible - and "The 12 Caesars".

A more ambitious goal is "One From Every Emperor" - a task just as large and even more challenging and difficult to define than "one from every country" in modern coinage.

Another more geographic-themed collection can be formed around Roman mintmarks: the Late Roman series features mintmarks much like on many modern coinage, and collecting every mint-city can be challenging - though still much easier than trying to collect every Greek coin-issuing city-state! I'm still looking for Barcino.

If there's a particular time in history that you've found interesting or appealing, then by all means narrow down to those emperors and their families. "Imperial family" coinage, in the name of the imperial wives, children and relatives, can be just as interesting and even rarer than as coins of the emperors themselves, but often sell at a lower price because of lower demand - the "12 Caesars" and "One From Every Emperor" collectors don't want them. The Five Good Emperors presided over a Golden Age, the Empire was largely at peace and prosperous; their coinage is high-quality and the reverse designs and themes to be found are many and varied. If family intrigue, dynastic rivalry and civil wars are more your thing, then the "Late Roman" period (the Tetrarchies and the family of Constantine) can be both interesting and has the advantage of being relatively cheap and available.

Other popular themes:
- Astronomy/astrology - coins either depicting celestial objects or coins depicting the gods and goddesses the celestial objects are named after.
- Architecture - coins depicting ancient buildings, structures and monuments, some of which are still standing today.
- Propaganda - a study of the "messages" the government was trying to send out via the coinage: "The Empire is winning the war", even if they've just been thrashed - that sort of thing.

Hope this gives you some inspiration.
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I advise the magpie route - see something you like, have that. ITs what I usually do.

Thereare many rarities to look out for, and you'll find out about them as you go. Things like IVDAEA CAPTA and VOTA PVBLICA.
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Since I am in no position to control what ancient coins (or ANY coin for that matter), may become available for cosideration, I just collect them all, always bearing in mind 'value for money'.

It helps to have a very good reference library, but in the current era of on line data bases, such a library need not be essential; just look up VCOINS site for similar coins that are for sale.

I just love all ancient coins irrespective of their condition or value, and having a wide horizon opens up the whole of the ancient coin market to you.
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There are about as many answers to that as there are collectors, luckily for us all :).

It really comes down to why are you collecting the coins? To display? You'll probably want to buy on eye appeal, whatever looks good to you. Based on their historical significance? Pick your era and start building up a collection of the major players in that time period. Value as an investment? I have no clue!

For me personally it's a mix between eye appeal and historical significance. I've got a few coins from time periods I'm not that interested in (for now anyway) just based on how cool or unique they looked. There are a few dynasties that particularly interested me so I kept an eye out for them and have built them up pretty respectably. Carthage has always fascinated me so I have a relatively large collection of coins from them, mostly lower grade but with a few higher quality coins. Same with Augustus.

The best general advice I can give is to look at hundreds of coins for every one you buy. Look at different types from the era/ruler/culture you're interested in. Look at everything you can find of the types you're considering buying. You'll learn a lot and get a better idea of a decent price for the type.
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Thanks all for posting some good ideas
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Great topic! I'm in the same boat, being very new to collecting coins.

The idea of collecting the '12 Caesars' was brought up... Just curious, but is there any rough estimate how much a 12 Caesars set in decent condition would cost in silver, and in gold? I tried looking this up a couple of months ago and couldn't find anyone actually selling a complete set. When I look up the individual coins, the prices go as high as $50,000 for a single gold coin of the rarer Caesar's.
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The thought occurs to me that there is a theme that may be appropriate to your 'situation'. In passing I had mentioned that your Trajan As had a military type reverse (always considered a plus !). Trajan while not the first emperor to do these types was the first to have a full range of types dealing with his very "aggressive" foreign policy. He added Dacia (Romania) to the empire as the need to provide for the retired veterans required additional agricultural land to provide the veterans with the stipulated "twenty acres and a mule" (plus pension) which the army provided on completion of twenty years of service. Several reverses show Dacia 'dejected' celebrating the conquest. The best types celebrating the war would be the famous bridge over the Danube reverse, the Trajans Column reverse and (my favorite) Trajan on horseback planting a spear into some unfortunate Dacian.
After this period Trajan set his eyes eastward and for reasons of "national security" decided to annex both Armenia and Mesopotamia (ie Iraq !). While Armenia was probably not a bad idea that 'other' place almost certainly was. One can imagine a Roman army marching in that sort of heat.
Anyways around 15 years ago I stumbled on this coin. One of the very few I am ashamed to say I paid through the nose for.
No regrets though.

Trajan in uniform between two trophies advancing right.
Presumably he is saying something like "This way to Bahgdad !"


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His successor Hadrian upon his 'elevation' quietly withdrew the legions
and "brought the boys home"


Later types especially 3rd century show emperors wearing the uniform of soldiers (instead of the traditional toga or bare bust variety).
This one is very nice showing Probus (a most remarkable Generalissimo) wearing full battle gear.

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The varieties of military types are quite extensive and would keep you occupied for decades.
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Just buy what appeals to you. In time you will naturally gravitate to a particular theme...
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