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1972 D Nickel - MM & Designer's Initials

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 Posted 08/15/2007  9:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add just4fun to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Again as much help as possible would be greatly appreciated.

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 Posted 08/15/2007  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Again, just a very worn die. This is a common occurrence with nickels. Nickel is a very hard metal that really wears on the dies.
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 Posted 08/15/2007  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just4fun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you
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 Posted 08/16/2007  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I say the same but have a question for you bill. I call that Die Deterioration am I wrong or when you say worn die do you also mean deterioration?
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 Posted 08/17/2007  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To get specific, when I say a very worn die, I am referring to Die Deterioration. In my own descriptions and not as anything numismatically accepted, I look at Die Deterioration as a progression of a worn die, a very worn die, or an extremely worn die.

There are differences between stages of Die Deterioration. I just attempt to break them down a little bit.

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I can clarify the numismatic terms for this:

die state - A term relating to the relative age of a die at the time it strikes a coin. Flow lines and loss of detail are the predominant determining factors as to a die's age, and these transfer directly to the coins the die mints. They are, VEDS (very early die state), EDS (early die state), EMDS (early mid-die state), MDS (mid-die state), LMDS (late-mid die state), LDS (late die state), and VLDS (very late die state). There are specifics to look for in determining the particular die state of a coin, but in general the presence or absence of flow lines and their number and length (if present) determine die state.

die stage (or just stage) - A specific marker that shows on a die steps the stage up a letter. In the beginning, any die is at stage A. A die crack or clash would step it up to stage B. Removal of a clash by polishing would step it up to stage C. All the while, the die may be mid die state (MDS)...so, in effect, die state and die stage are independent from one another.
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Thanks Guys. I have been telling the same thing for years about the MDS and so on but did not see it in the post so thought I would make sure that I was correct.
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 Posted 08/18/2007  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great stuff !

Thanks!
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