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How Many Different VAM Morgans?

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 Posted 08/16/2014  09:24 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ant76 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I find the VAM world fascinating and was just curious as to how many different varieties are there? Is anyone trying to collect them all? Thanks
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 Posted 08/16/2014  10:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are currently - don't know for sure - in the vicinity of 5,000 identified VAMs. No accurate estimate could exist regarding how many are left to be found, and here's why:

1) They were minted in unprecedented numbers, using unprecedented numbers of die pairs for the coin size. Millions, each year. Dozens of die pairs shipped to each Mint - as many as 90+ pairs for a given year/mint - and those were used in a vast array of combinations. Old dies with new ones, a reverse cracks and is replaced by a brand-new one mated to the same obverse. All of these combinations are potentially VAMs.

2) Die production technology of the time was maturing quickly. The overall resemblance of one die to the next presents the very real question, "Will we ever be able to accurately tell all these dies apart?"

3) Morgans were destroyed by the millions for the Pittman Act. We'll probably never see examples of a large number of Morgan die pairs, some of which might have had critical transitional information from their working hub as it aged, striking new dies.

4) The initial differentiation process, as Van Allen and Mallis defined it with their work in the 1960's, was to define/list by die characteristic and not necessarily die pair. They were well aware of the potential futility of trying to identify every die pair - the "traditional" way of doing it in numismatics - in the face of such huge numbers and impenetrable gaps in the knowledge base.

So VAMming, by definition, doesn't necessarily lend itself to "complete" die pairing as does Sheldon or Overton. Yet, the great improvement in technology along with persistent years of research in the half-century since it all started have made it obvious we can see, identify and clearly illustrate the tiniest of die-made markers on any coin. So we're trying to nail all the die pairs possible.

Yet that's an ongoing process, and one where it's as necessary to make changes to past research - finding two VAMs are just different states of the same die pair, and getting them "officially" combined, for example - as it is to identify new combinations.

VAMming is very much a work in progress, and I doubt our lifetimes will see the completion of the research. One must look at some of the fundamental suppositions regarding VAMs as moving targets, and be prepared to adjust one's own knowledge.
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 Posted 09/30/2014  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thetinman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes there are alot of Vams to collect and the previous post above is all correct. There are new discoveries being found by keen eyed vammers. At the moment there are 4338 Morgan Vams and 1245 Peace Vams. To have them all would be a monstrous task. There are a few who are in the process though, no names of course. There is a dealer out on the west coast who has 44% of the Morgans and a collector who just past 60% of the Morgan Vams. Now that is something. To achieve the last 40%....well we'll see. As for myself I'll stay with the Long Nocks and the Top 100.
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There are currently - ..... be prepared to adjust one's own knowledge.


Factually revealing observation on the past and present state of VAM affairs
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