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Ancient Coin - Turtle Stater?

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I have this ancient coin of unknown origin. Possibly Greek? Possibly turtle stater? Can anyone help me to tie it down further, please? It is silver and it is 8 mm in diameter and approx (up to) 3 mm thick (in the middle).



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 Posted 08/21/2014  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is there any chance it could clean up a little?
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A stater shouldn't be that small, perhaps an Obol or Diobol?
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I dont think this is a stater either as ZXCCCXZ said the size is too small. I wouldnt rule out Lycia as a possible mint cadidate.
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The top pic is upside down

Helmeted bust of Athena facing left ?
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(FVRIVS RVFVS) Is this what you are looking for?


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Well we do seem to have a female bust (no helmet though !)

I confess to being rather 'dim' about "Greek" coins. It looks to me to be a rather early type. By early I am thinking 3rd or 4th century BC. It is rather thick for such a small diameter.

Asia Minor ?
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ohhhh...i think I see the head now.

i went to vcoins and searched for "incuse left". there are a several possibilities, may be worth a look.

I'm guessing a hemibol?
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Is it possibly an Ionia, Phokaia, AR Trihemiobol with the head of 'Athena' or 'Lo'
(see also below



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Without better pics I doubt much can be said with more certainty. The coin image you found looks to be in the archaic style while yours is almost certainly a 'classical' style bust.

Something more akin to this

Ionia, Phokaia EL Hekte. Circa 478-387 BC. Head of nymph left, hair in sakkos; [below, seal to right] / Quadripartite incuse square. Bodenstedt 93. 2.56g, 10mm.


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The size is similar but this one is made of "electrum" a gold-silver alloy. Your coin looks to be rather well 'patinated' so I doubt it is electrum.
But what makes you so sure it is silver ?

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But what makes you so sure it is silver ?

Well, being rather new to all of this, deductions by ruling out alternatives.
Under close inspection there is no hint of copper or bronze color, and there is no verdigris to indicate copper or bronze, so I ruled them out and gold doesn't tarnish so that left me with silver. (Very simplistic I know).
I never considered Electrum.
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I know we are talking early Greek here, but on later Romans you can get green deposits on silver coins and on some you will also see bronze colour coming through. It depends upon how debased the silver was. Any chance of cleaning up the reverse?
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I will try and get back in a few days.
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Pish. I was told to clean coins by soaking in Olive oil. In the absence of Olive Oil, do you know if Canola oil is as good?
Also, I have just ordered a Sanoto light box and some 18% Gray card to improve the (photo) images. I don't expect them to arrive for at least a week (or so).
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Personally I would not use Canola, I would buy a small bottle of olive oil for the purpose. Or a larger bottle if you are going to be doing this a lot! My first stop is usually distilled water rather than olive oil.
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Distilled water I have plenty of.
(I will NEVER use vinegar and baking soda again.)
Are you thinking that the coins may be made of Billon?
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