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 Posted 09/01/2014  8:24 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coinaddict1795 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So...i consider myself an honest person who trys to help other people out if I can. I occasionally buy coins from people who inherit collections, buy estates, and my friend who owns a pawnshop. Generally these people have no idea on values, or they just look up the most exspensive example of the coin and demand that...

BUT...alot more recently, I have been presented with people who have awsome coins, and ask a low price for them. Now I'm not a wealthy person, and probably couldnt afford these otherwise. Part of me says if I dont buy them at that price, someone else might get them even cheaper. The other part says to try and direct them to a more profitable selling avenue.

Do you go on a case by case basis? One guy who was over 70 got his deceased brothers collection of Morgans. He wanted $100 each, but they were all PCGS MS65, 66, some PL, CCs, I mean a nice collection. I told him that he had five figures easy worth and I couldnt afford their true value. I chalk it up as a good deed, but did he think I was crazy and just sell to the next person and I lost out?

What would you do if persented this issue and why.

I want honest opinions so please nobody rag on each other for their opinions as this is a sensitive matter. Thanks!
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 Posted 09/01/2014  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tryna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
for me the answer is easy as I have faced it several times. If it is something I want and know I can afford I have told the owner to go to a coin shop to get an offer, come back to me and I will beat it by 10%. Fair for the owner and I still get a good deal.

If it is beyond my means or outside of my area of collecting I direct the owner to a dealer whom I have dealt with for over twenty year who I know is fair. Both have worked very well for me.
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 Posted 09/01/2014  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
offer to help them get the best price and take your commission in coins.
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 Posted 09/01/2014  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tkbslc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How much is your integrity and a clean conscience worth to you? Mine is worth more than discounted coins. I bet yours is, too, or you wouldn't have made this thread. Personally I'd never enjoy a coin knowing I took advantage of someone's ignorance to buy it.
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 Posted 09/01/2014  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO, If someone was wanting to sell a coin that was worth way more than they were offering and didn't care about the true value of it even if told about it, than by all means buy it...

My mom works at a Assisted Living facility and use to get stuff for free or at a cheap price because the parents would pass and their children would live out of town and didn't want to fool with moving their furniture out... Got my whole house furnished by dead people for two hundred bucks... That included couches, chairs, table & chairs, a Thomasville bedroom suit another bed and dresser, etc... For the most part most people want to do the right thing and give a fair price, but, if it isn't a big deal to the seller, then chalk it up as a bargain and move on.... You don't lose integrity by that...
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 Posted 09/01/2014  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinaddict1795 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great Opinions! One issue I face here, is there is no Coin dealer within 30 miles that is trustworthy. The only one I know of, the owners are ruthless and offer a 10th of the value. My friend who owns the pawnshop, says people come in after leaving the Gold&Silver shops with ridiculously lowball offers for melt on Morgans, Barber Halfs, and that is sickening. I told him to buy anything Pre1900 at 10% more then the scrap offer and I will cover it. You cant save the world, but anytime I can try and help someone, I do. I take pride in my integrity, and cannot say I have taken advantage of anyone who was in a position to come out better on the deal. When you have a 20 something kid bring you a box of Morgans saying his great Aunt Left him these and just needs "Bill" money.....number one its probably not for bills(drugs..), number two those coins would be bought for melt and some jerk would make 200% profit on it. Now if it was any other scenario: wife/children selling collection of deceased, or older person selling collection to supplement retirement, EVERY TIME I would go out of my way for FREE to help them get a better deal...
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 Posted 09/01/2014  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinaddict1795 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WADE...That is a brilliant Idea...
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 Posted 09/01/2014  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasingtailbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't do consignment with people who don't care about coins, they just want cash now and don't have the patience needed to get top dollar for consigned items. If you cannot finance the purchase yourself, well, talk to family and friends and get some financing together! That's how I did it when I acquired my first big collection to flip a few years back. Needed $20k, had $5k myself, borrowed $15k, made about $4k selling everything, paid my financiers $2k and made $2k for myself. They were pumped to get 10% on their investment in less than a month. Today, I believe I could pull together as much as $100k in financing within a couple weeks if necessary... however with collections that size, I'd much prefer to simply act as a middleman, get a couple grand for my trouble in ensuring they get maximum value, and be done with it. What I really, truly enjoy is the process of discovering, inventorying and grading material from large collections... it's a lot of fun and you never know what you'll find in the next box or bag of junk silver.

As a general rule of hand, items I flip, I pay about 80% of retail for. For stuff I want to keep for my personal collection, I pay 95%-100% of retail for. The profits I make on other material covers most of the cost of stuff I keep, only a small portion comes out of my pocket, I'd say 10% or less of actual value. It's a win/win situation, the clients get way more than a dealer will offer them and I make some money in the process, and often enjoy the process of selling the material for them. On top of that, the proceeds allow me to build my collection at low cost.
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 Posted 09/01/2014  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Secret Argent Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it's a person I'd tell them, straight away. Same if 'twas a friend who owned the pawnshop.

If an individual they will often be thrilled that their relative's coins are going to someone who will keep and enjoy them, and they will often give the coins to you at asking price because of that and as a reward for your honesty. And a friend...well that's just what you do for a friend. And it may/may not turn out the same, but any kind of a friend it will come bak to you in another way eventually.

Some random pawnshop...I'd take advantage.
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 Posted 09/01/2014  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CopperCastle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I frequently buy coins from an antique mall that does consignment. The sellers aren't even there & the owner doesn't price the items. Sometimes I get a good deal, sometimes I get a good laugh.
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 Posted 09/02/2014  02:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I pay face value for coins. no more, no less. unless there is S&H needed, then I pay that extra.
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 Posted 09/02/2014  07:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatchaser140 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You did a good thing IMO. What were the family's reactions when you told them the true value?
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 Posted 09/02/2014  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ALP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
coinaddict1795-
If I was presented with your specific issue (the older gentlemen with the deceased brother's Morgans), I would do exactly what you did and tell him the true value of coins. IMO, its the only honest thing to do. If, after hearing the true value, he wants to still wants to sell them for $100 each just to make a quick profit, then yes, I would buy them. But only after telling him the true value.


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If it is something I want and know I can afford I have told the owner to go to a coin shop to get an offer, come back to me and I will beat it by 10%. Fair for the owner and I still get a good deal.
This is another good option. The coin shop will likely give them a low offer, so by beating it by 10% you are both helping the seller out and still (in all likelihood) getting a good deal yourself.
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 Posted 09/02/2014  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Part of a problem like that old saying, you can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
I myself think I am rather honest but so many many times it is just futile trying to help someone. For example at a coin show a dealer was busy talking to someone he possibly knew. On his table was a box of Indian Head Nickels with a sign, 3 for $1. As he was blabbing away I picked a few and one was a 3 legged one and most others were almost AU. I tried to tell him but he rudely said read the sign. I looked some more and found many other great ones. Again I tried to interrupt him but now he looked irritated so I picked up 15 of them, handed him a $5 bill and walked away.
I've run into similar situations in the past. Some people just don't care. I've gotten into some bad situations with relatives about what to do with valuable items left from someone that died. Usually it all ends up that someone is trying to screw someone with values of items and lots of new relative bad feelings.
It is nice to try to be honest but as so many people find out, so many coin dealers, pawn shop people, coin store people, etc. will take you for as much as possible. So just who can you really trust?
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 Posted 09/03/2014  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1893S to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If he wanted $100 per Morgan for the grades and MM's you described, I would have bought them.
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 Posted 09/05/2014  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pawpaw34 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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BUT...alot more recently, I have been presented with people who have awsome coins, and ask a low price for them. Now I'm not a wealthy person, and probably couldnt afford these otherwise. Part of me says if I dont buy them at that price, someone else might get them even cheaper. The other part says to try and direct them to a more profitable selling avenue.


I was put into this same situation about a year ago. It was a friend and I knew he was going to go dump them at the first scrap place he came up on. So I bought them at his price. He was shocked when two weeks later I brought him another $1800.00. So yes you are right you should never sell yourself for a few coins.
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