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Stackshot & Amazing 3CS Error (Split Planchet)

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Birthday present for myself...

I still need to work on the lighting, the deep well of the NGC slab and a very thin planchet is causing a shadow.

Canon T3i with 50-100 Macro lens and two Janskos.

I think I've settled on Helicon (http://www.heliconsoft.com/)... I thought I liked Zerene (http://zerenesystems.com/) better, but the integrated live view just makes for a far, far better workflow.

Stackshot-&-Amazing-3CS-Error-Split-Planchet

Click above for the full sized dual image from PhotoBucket - 1.6MB. And here are the (quite large) Obverse and Reverse links.
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 Posted 09/01/2014  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice!

I prefer Helicon as well. Everything works pretty seamlessly in it.

How are you setting up your stackshot for coin imaging? A pic of your setup would be nice to see.
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Nice shot! I'm sold on focus-stacking for coins now, especially ancients.
I've been using Zerene's trial, and next I'll try Helicon and then decide.
I like that Helicon can process raw files, but we'll see if they have the D810 codec yet...
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The setup is really nothing fancy:

Stackshot-&-Amazing-3CS-Error-Split-Planchet

The jig is just designed for rapid placement of slabs.

Same setup at a different (lower) mark does nearly 1:1 of the 14mm trimes.

I still need to work out how to do axial lighting.
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Please tell us how you find the stackshot rail I have been thinking hard about getting it
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I don't (think about it) - the flow is pretty natural.

Well, OK, it did take me a couple of tries to get the software and cable setup just right (with Zerene I need the Canon control cable since the StackShot controller box fires the camera, with Helicon I don't use the cable as the fire command comes from the PC via the software). And some of the software needs to start up in a specific order. So I have a cheat sheet that tells me what to start up in what order.


  • Camera on

  • Wait for Canon EOS tool to launch

  • select remote control

  • launch Helicon Remote

  • When it launches and settles down, select Live View



I find I need to do a couple of cycles of rough focus / height adjustment on the CS2 column to get whatever I'm shooting maximized in the frame (hence the marks on the ruler on the wall to give me the rough positioning).

I use the up/down on the StackShot to force it to the middle of the rail, click the autofocus on something of middle depth and then use the buttons on Helicon Remote to set the top/bottom position.

Helicon has an option that highlights what portion of the image is actually in focus as you adjust up or down. Being lazy I usually just press one button until all the blue highlight disappears and set that as A, then press the other button as the highlights move through the image and then disappear on the other side. Click that as B.

Between those two points, the software tells me the # of steps and allows me to pick an interval (# of steps) or choose the # of shots (it automatically does the inverse calculation).

Press Start Shooting and just walk away. Let it do it's thing.

When it's done, I either move the images to a REAL machine (if it's a big stack) or I just flip over to Helicon Focus and have it run the stacking. I really don't notice that the old laptop takes 'forever', although I do notice the difference between it (5 years old, dual core) and my new desktop. Even if it runs most of a dinner hour or most of the night, who cares? Just keeps the cat up.

So far I'm just using default settings.

I have the camera set to just shoot RAW and Helicon converts those and generates a large .jpg. I can then scale it using Paint.NET or whatever touchups I need to do (crop, etc.)



Oh, yes, What does the StackShot bring to the table?

I will also say that I tried for the better part of 4 hours to get a decent shot of the reverse of the coin before the StackShot arrived and it was a dismal failure. No amount of playing with focus could bring even half the surface up with any clarity (lack of focusable artifacts and a very unlevel field).

With the StackShot, the 1st 10 shot stack was 10x better than anything I had ever done.
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Very cool coin!
Not photography-related, but about this type of error: would this occur when a coin is struck normally, then the planchet splits after the strike, essentially forming two split planchet errors (1 obverse, 1 reverse)?



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I still need to work on the lighting, the deep well of the NGC slab and a very thin planchet is causing a shadow.

I'm also having trouble with older NGC slabs and thin coins- that combination certainly doesn't make lighting easy!
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Jon Sullivan specifically called it split BEFORE strike. Leaving me to research how. What I think must have happened is that the bottom part of the planchet fell off and it was struck on top of a normal planchet, hence the normal
obverse.

With too much metal, the obverse is sharply struck, while the reverse is the combination of two unstruck sides pressed together (uniface) and - being so thin - some of the details from both dies.

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Very nice! I really like that error. Your photos are excellent of this one.
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BStrauss3: You sold me the Stackshot.....well sort of I was very close to buying it already. Theres no way with a manual focusing rail that I could get accurate enough steps between shots ( using a 10 time Microscope lens) for a hi res stack. Depending on Customs I will have the stackshot and IR controller( the only way my sony will work with the system) in a week or so.
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Good luck... this weekend I'm off to take a stack of my contemporary counterfeit 1861 3cs.
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