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Another Roman Bronze For Id, This One Larger And Older

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I got some good help in the last thread so I figured why not try another.

This is a rough coin but nice and large with some visible legend. I can make out an "SCASEARAVG" at the top of the obverse. The only emperors that I can find on romancoins.info that have that inscription on Asses are Nero, Domitian, and Claudius.

Of the above the only one with a portrait that matches at all is Claudius, and even then I'm not sure.

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9.62 g, 29 mm.

Any help will be appreciated!
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It is Claudius.
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I agree, Claudius. You should put this one into an exended soak - yo might get a nice coin out of it.
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Without doubt an 'as' of Claudius with Constantiae reverse.
Might be improvable but I doubt the obverse will be changed very much.
Portrait appears to have had a layer removed already. The reverse may show better results.
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Thanks, Claudius was all I could find that made sense and I'm glad I did something right :). I haven't done anything to clean it yet and will probably not do anything. I'm very conservative when it comes to cleaning coins.
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The extended soak is the safest method to clean coins - no abrasives, just patience. It may do nothing at all, but if you store it under olive oil, you might see a nice coin in a few years. You could try distilled water to be even more conservative, but with an incrustation like this, you'd probably be looking at decades.
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I've heard of the olive oil method but never tried it. Is this a decent candidate for it do you think? I'm not opposed to letting it sit for a couple years if that will actually improve the quality of the coin.

When doing an olive oil soak do you change the oil at all or just let it sit in the same oil all that time?
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Olive oil is OK if you don't mind changing the colour. If you do, then use DW.
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The copper I can see looks dark enough anyway, so the only colour change would effect the green stuff, might even it out.

I tend to change the olive oil occasionally - it can go off. Every few months and it should be fine. For coins like this, I think its worth a shot, even if it doesn't help. Occasionally give the ocin a scrub (I do this when changing the oil). When its done, you'll want to give it a good scrub, acetone and then a while in distilled water to leach out any chloride ions it may have (I do 2 weeks distilled water to all the coins I clean - after olive oil baths, a thin layer of oil may remain which could stop the water reaching the coin - use some dishsoap to remove it).
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Nice coin chuy1530. I would avoid using oil to clean it, the oil will seep into the coin and does not get removed by water, soap or any other means. Soak it in distilled water for a few weeks and then see what you have. Oil is a last resort, once done, can't be undone.
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I'm going to go with distilled water first. I can always use oil later if I'm not happy with the DW, and I've got experience using DW so I'm more comfortable with it. I have some lower grade (well, better looking overall but much more common and less sentimental to me than this one) late Roman bronzes I'll try the oil out with first to get a handle on the method.
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Good choice! Once you have had a coin in oil there is little else you can do with it.
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