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1909-VDB Roll Find

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 Posted 09/08/2014  6:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ace_ftw to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
OK, I am sorry for hogging the Forums this afternoon.

I have been doing some hunting while at work (don't tell anyone) shhhh!!

Anyway, I just cracked open a penny roll (remember I'm from Canada)

And low and behold I found another wheetie (I have found 4 today in about 70 rolls so far). I turned this guy over to see the date, noticing some smudge near the rim between the wheat stalks.

AND IT's a 1909(no mm), I flip it back over and ah huh, its a VDB.

That's right up here in the Great White North.

1909-VDB-Roll-Find

1909-VDB-Roll-Find

What do you think this would grade as?
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 Posted 09/08/2014  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Danhelmick98 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, nice find!
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 Posted 09/08/2014  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NOTE: this coin was Saved from being melted by the Bank of Canada. I had just gotten these rolls this past weekend.
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 Posted 09/08/2014  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Outstanding find ... I'm guessing VF range with limited experience with the series.
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 Posted 09/08/2014  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matttheriley to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is really cool! Do you collect Lincoln Cents? If not, this would be a great start!
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 Posted 09/08/2014  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I started this whole thing hoarding copper cents, both USA and Canadian, then I started researching and finding some errors, and some varieties (mostly Canadian) I have a good pile of wheats. if I was to start a collection, it would only be the Wheaties (I do own FE's as well as some IHC's)
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 Posted 09/08/2014  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatchaser140 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Incredible piece of history you just rescued here. Love it!
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 Posted 09/08/2014  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junjun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find
Maybe VF-30
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 Posted 09/08/2014  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's pretty amazing!
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 Posted 09/08/2014  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add duncanbishop24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome find, better rescue! I don't even have one of those!
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 Posted 09/08/2014  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fistfulladirt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hANDS dOWN, nice find!
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 Posted 09/08/2014  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add o-train to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find!

For sure the coin roll hunting community here is only searching/finding a small portion of what gets turned in, but we do what we can. Based on what I have found so far I have to assume that a 1909 s VDB has probably been melted down (at least one but maybe a few based on volume). There may just be one out there, in a jar, or a roll. Just waiting for an uninformed owner to bring it to the bank...

I did some math and there were 25,745,247,389 wheat pennies minted (only about 10 billion less than total Canadian small cent mintage). Which means the 1909 S VDB represents only 0.00188% of Wheat cent mintage or 0.00010125% of total Lincoln Cent mintage (not counting 2014).

So if the Alloy Recovery Program has melted down 4,000,000,000 pennies (Toronto Sun article July 15,2014) and lets say a conservative 10% of them were US pennies = 400,000,000 (I get a ton of US cents CRH'ing) Take that number and multiply it by 0.0000010125 = 405 1909 S VDB pennies melted down for copper bullion.

I don't believe that many have been destroyed but maybe 1/100 that made their way to Canada were negligently discarded leaving us with 4. I'll go with that because it sounds somewhat plausible. Which leaves a completely hypothetical population of 2 1909 S VDB's somewhere out in the wilds of Canada. Unknown and ready to be discovered...or melted.
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 Posted 09/08/2014  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DCM Coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
GREAT catch!

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 Posted 09/09/2014  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Canadians always get the best wheaties in their rolls! Great catch!
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 Posted 09/09/2014  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice find indeed. Question: Why is Canada melting U.S.A. cents? Is that legal?
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