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1946 $1 Voyageur Silver Dollar Error?

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 Posted 09/11/2014  10:08 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add aswag to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
What do you think about the large dot on the reverse of this 1946 $1 above the "D" in Dollar? Is it in the die or just a piece of metal debris that was on the die/coin during the strike?


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 Posted 09/13/2014  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aswag to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The more I thought about it (I'm new to thinking about dies). The dot above the D, since it is raised, can't be because of piece of metal between the die and the coin as that would make a depression in the field (struck through), right? So it must be that the die was damaged with an impression in it to leave a raised dot on the field of the coin. I'm just trying to learn and would love if those of you who look at the coin leave a message to help me learn. It would be great if someone else has another example with a dot in the same place. Best Regards, Bill
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 Posted 09/13/2014  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lambecolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dots are common---caused by die pits. But yours is so big it makes it very unusual.I am surprised it is not a variety---definitely a keeper.
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 Posted 09/13/2014  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 09/14/2014  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Xanonite to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, definitely a keeper. Most dots are just blobs but that one is the kind they like to put in as a variety or an error. Hang on to it for a while. I would love to find one like that!
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 Posted 09/14/2014  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We need a way better picture of the dot area and the obverse as well . This coin is very low grade for a dollar , which makes me skeptical. A coin with a dot like that would have been plucked up very early and would be choice AU or better. Probably played with, dot raised from surface metal ? Other idea did you check it for weight and is it silver. Could be one of those 1970's era Lebanon counterfeits. They counterfeited all the key dates and the odd one still shows up. Let us know ? Mark me down as very , very doubtful as to being a real variety from the Ottawa mint!
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 Posted 09/15/2014  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aswag to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
lambecolin - Thank you for letting me know the term/reason for this (tentative) error.

thedollarman & Xanonite - Thank you for the comments.

Pacificoin - I'm still waiting for the coin to arrive in the mail (it was an ebay purchase from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, canadacoinstore2014 who had maybe 20+ silver dollars of different dates plus numerous coins of other denominations for sale at the same time). http://www.ebay.com/itm/351164517378 I'll post more details/photos when the coin arrives. Here is a picture of the obverse.

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 Posted 09/15/2014  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AsWag - I agree with your thinking about pits, or chips, on dies, and how they are transferred to coins.
In Australia, we call them " Cuds".
But, your "dot" looks quite circular - no irregularity is yet apparent, at that scale of enlargement.

So, PacificCoin's point bears consideration, when you get the coin in hand, please try to get us a higher magnification of the affected area ...

In Australia, dots like those were used as mintmarks -
from the 1940s to 1960s, our pennies and halfpennies were minted in both Perth, and on our East Coast.
The Perth coins had a "dot" after the letter Y in penny and halfpenny, as the case may be.
The others had no dot.

I realize that Canadian dollars in 1948 had no need for such a distinction to be made, but could there be some other reason for deliberately placed mark ?

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 Posted 09/16/2014  08:22 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
See the small depression (dig) on the obverse between the Bust of KGVI and the "D"...............now I am even more suspicious that someone played with this coin in the past!
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rivet for models etc just like twoonies
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 Posted 09/18/2014  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Colhand1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could the dot have been added and then the coin worn so that it appears to be a mint mistake?
The coin is very worn yet it (the dot) seems to so obvious.
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 Posted 09/19/2014  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Needs a good microscope to examine if the dot is PERFECTLY round.
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 Posted 09/23/2014  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aswag to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I finally received the coin and too my surprise there was no dot or evidence of it. All the other identifying details (e.g. rim nicks) were the same, so I know it was the coin was the one pictured. I contacted the seller asking for an explanation and I received the following reply...

"Honestly I see the dot, but can't explain it at all. I would of made reference to it if it was there at the time of listing it......sorry, a mystery I guess. Please simply send it back and I will refund as you mentioned, thank you."
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 Posted 09/23/2014  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Extremely odd to have something loose on the lens or coin field that is the same shade. It is what it is, I guess. Would have been nice to be real.
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 Posted 09/23/2014  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When it comes to stuff like this it pays handsomely to be very , very skeptical.
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 Posted 09/24/2014  02:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
aswag- so is the coin real?
To bad about the dot but who cares if the coins not real anyway.
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