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 Posted 09/13/2014  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do find it odd that this particular fake is not listed in the FORVM fake database, given how common it seems to be; perhaps it is one of the entries lost when they were hacked. I also note that one was posted on the forum there over a decade ago and never denounced as fake, though it has the same characteristics - including an apparent seam and the same 3 o'clock flan notch.

I'm also going to say "BIP" a few times, because I found the other CCF threads by doing a search for "Nero BIP", and nobody else has said BIP in this thread yet. I want to find this thread as well, the next time someone posts one. BIP is, of course, the alleged date of issue, translating to "112" in Greek numerals.
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I'm not convinced that it's fake. The coins referenced all look cast this coin IMO does not. I would like to see another picture of a different area of the edge, I'm not seeing any evidence of the edge being filed to remove a casting line.
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Another example

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echizento - can you therefore explain the matching dies, centration, wear pattern, mark on edge at 3 o'clock on the obverse etc.?
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I will post some additional photos this evening of the edge
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I admit my eyes aren't as good as they used to be so I don't see a die match and the wear pattern doesn't seem the same. As far as the edge ding, an original coin with the ding could have been used for the fakes and this coin could from be from that same die.
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Here are some additional photos of the edge...



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Yeah, unfortunately the suspicions are true - a seam, a sprue and a die match, I'm afraid its a fake.
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OK, there does appear to be a seam. You guys are right.
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