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 Posted 09/12/2014  06:16 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add vince1977 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all,

Ive got this copper coin in my collection. Which I can't identify. It does look older then roman. And the head looks like one of the Alexander type heads. The other side despict and horse.

The coin is made in bronze.

I was wondering if someone can help me identify this piece.
I hope it is alexander the great.
The diameter is alround 15mm
The weigh is 2,52 grams

Best wishes,
Vincent






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 Posted 09/12/2014  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Alexander it is not. Not very good at 'Greek' types but it does remind me of the "man headed bull" type reverse from Neapolis. I am doubtful that it depicts a horse.
But I could be wrong !
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 Posted 09/12/2014  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Castulo (a celtic city in Hispania) - they cut copper blanks from sheets and then struck them, which gives this coin its jagged edges. The reverse is a bull, crescent moon above.

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 Posted 09/12/2014  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any chance of a closer image of the animal? From this distance it does look like a man headed bull. Will it clean up at all?
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 Posted 09/12/2014  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vince1977 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all for taking time to respond. Here an better picture from the animal on the backside.

So it is an spain castulo coin? is there aswell reference of this type?
Shame I hoped greece. Is it that the spainish rulers copy the greek coins. Like the face and the animals? Or is it just normal it is this way.

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 Posted 09/12/2014  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think we have identified it exactly yet. The Castulo bulls do have a crescent over the bull (often), I posted mine a couple of days ago. Is there a chance it will clean up any more?
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 Posted 09/12/2014  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What happened to the picture?
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I don't think cleaning makes it better.

Ive got one other picture made with more dark in it. Maybe that helps?



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Ben is probably correct. The bust looks more Hellenistic than I have seen for Castulo but the blank is most certainly cut from a strip.
That seems to clinch it in my mind.
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I am gonna look aswell then for castulo coins with these descriptions. So it is not Macedonian then? The heads on castulo coins are mostly les detailed then the macedonian coins?
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My mistake macedonian are hellenistic... Thats how good I am in determination on these coins haha
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You can scroll through the wildwinds page for Castulo and choose a description you like - some think thats Augutus on there, whilst other say its 150 years older than augustus. The best archeological dating puts it as the older.

A lot of people call celtic coins 'Greek' - if its not Roman, its greek.
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 Posted 09/12/2014  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The bull on the OP coin does look like Castulo, but the portrait looks more like Obulco. There were very similar bulls rev. minted there.

The head with braided hair is similar to this one, shown on Wildwinds.

The OP coin may have been clipped at some point. (size and weight difference).


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Obulco, Spain, AE18 Semis. 3.64 gr.


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Vince, wildwinds doesn't like hot linking on images. Can you post a link to the page and give us the reference number to look at this coin please? You will get yourself an Alexander the Great, don't worry, there are loads of them out there.
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I think the backside does look more like an sphinx. If comparing to other pieces it does not look like an bull. There are alot of thes type coins which has an sphinx lookalike on the backside. Would say that that is more the direction. You've got coins from castulo aswell with sphinx. I've got no exact match.

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