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1942 P Jefferson Nickel

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 Posted 09/23/2014  2:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Robinson1990 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello, I found a 1942 P Wartime Nickel the other day. It has a burned square on the front almost looks like melted metal. its black in color. Also the coin itself is pure copper, the whole rim is copper colored and the front and back. There is zero signs of any other metal. I'm wondering if it got struck on a penny planchet or something else. also it ways more than 5 grams. a lot more. Its very strange. pics soon.
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Firstly, if it was struck on a cent planchette it would weigh less that 5 grams (3.1 grams to be precise). Next is the issue of it weighting significantly more than 5 grams. Being that a typical wartime nickel was comprised of 56% copper and 35% silver (and 9% manganese) if you do the basic math even if it were struck on a completely copper planchette it would weigh LESS than 5 grams as copper is less dense than silver. Either way you cut it, the math doesn't work out, unless that "burnt square" you speak of is enormous. Am looking forward to seeing pictures
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For a true identification pictures are a must.
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Yes sorry about the weight. It actually weighs less than 5g had it backwards. also I'm putting pictures on soon.
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here are pics

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more pics, and the copper toned is thicker than a typical nickel. btw

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Looking at the last two pictures above it struck me that it sure looks like the coin was at one time graded by a TPG. It also seems that the edges are suffering from a build up of dirt.

I'm not an expert, but this is was it appears to be in my opinion. If the coin was struck on a penny plancet I would expect to not see any rolled edges as the whole piece would be taken up by the Jefferson die.

At this point I would probably send the piece to a TPG for authentication. Coloration and weight appears right for what you propose but the edges for me are problematic to your theory.
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Looking at the last two pictures above it struck me that it sure looks like the coin was at one time graded by a TPG.


I don't think so.

PCGS holders have 3 "fingers" and actually wrap around the edge of the coin. NGC has 4 fingers but they only barely touch the rim. I am not aware of any other TPG that has an edge view holder.

Some held the coin over a fire and the 4 pointed star pattern on the obverse and reverse are from whatever "tool" they used to hold it over the heat. Since the pattern is most pronounced on the obverse that is the side that was toward the flame.
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it looks like dirt in the pictures. but it is actually metal burns. looks like it got partially melted almost. it just isn't dirt, if my camera didn't suck you would see what looks like gunpowder burns in a way. hot metal blasted copper look. very odd. but it looks like it all was in the minting process. strangest specimen I've come across in many year. guy I got it from wanted to buy it back and told me to send it to pcgs immedietly.
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Okay, but if the coin was heated up over a burner of some sort why is the center relatively clean with the edges darker showing a dirt like appearance. Wouldn't a burner color the coin all the way around equally in the center and along the edges.

Could this be a high school chemistry action? Again - not an expert just my opinion and I could to way wrong. I'd like to hear more on this coin and what others think.
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Okay, but if the coin was heated up over a burner of some sort why is the center relatively clean with the edges darker showing a dirt like appearance


What will the meat under the metal look like if held to an open flame?

Same effect.

Open area exposed to flame will look one way and covered area will look differently.

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So I measured it and it is thicker than a normal nickel but has the same circumference. Almost looks like it got copper dust on it while baking in oven. the silver layer is completely missing and it ways 6 grams. I reweighed it. It makes sense because its thicker than normal nickels.
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In the one image the edge looks silver-ish. grey whatever you want to call it. could this be a case where someone tried to plate a nickel with copper, or maybe that plate a nail with a penny experiment to get a copper nail, then plate the nail with a nickel to give it that sacrificial nickel coating, but someone used a silver nickel instead of a cupro nickel one, and the copper nail plated the silver nickel instead? that is the only thing I can see to be the reason the spot on the rim/edge of the coin is grey where the "square" reaches the edge.

That or someone tried to make a silver-battery using the nickel with small copper plates stuck to it and in the end ended up with a plated and corroded coin? too early for chemistry type things this morning, but those are my guesses if it is a real coin.
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Again, being above 5 grams makes this a non-starter for a cent planchette error. Being over 5 grams, even of slightly thicker, makes it unlikely to be solid copper as the laws of chemistry say that silver by volume has more mass than copper. By that measure this coin should weigh less than 5 grams if made completely of copper. Based on the "weld marks" along the rim, the dirtiness, and pattern, my guess sits with this being a copper plated nickel that lived a large part of its life in a piece of jewelry.
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my guess sits with this being a copper plated nickel that lived a large part of its life in a piece of jewelry.


, post mint damage ( PMD)
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