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Would anyone be able to tell me about my 'knife' coin, please? Obverse? Reverse? Dynasty? Date? Translation of the legend? Etc. Etc.? I know very little about it as I bought a whole collection of Han, Soong, Dong, and Ming Dynasty (knife, spade, and round/square) coins from a person who had no interest in their inheritance, for US$18 and I know about as little as they did. All of the coins were mounted on a card with inscriptions, however I believe that a Doctor must have collected them and described them because I cannot read the writing. I believe that this sort of currency was used in the 5th century B.C., but more than that I am afraid I know very little. I'd love to hear from anyone who knows anything about it.   Edited by Topcat7
10/09/2014 06:12 am
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I hate to be the one to say, but this piece doesn't look right. It's overall appearance looks too modern. I have a PDF book on chinese coins I'll dig it up and send it to you.
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All of the coins were mounted on a card with inscriptions, however I believe that a Doctor must have collected them and described them because I cannot read the writing.
You could try to post a picture of those descriptions. There might be a pharmacist under the collectors of old coins and many collectors have learnt to deal with difficult inscriptions. Quote:
I hate to be the one to say, but this piece doesn't look right. Didn't want to be the first one to say that but on first glance I thought the same. Could be some sort of modern 'tourist money' or a charm which might be a little bit older. |
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To all of you Doctors and Pharmacists . . . . . . Here is a photo of the card and coins  Edited by Topcat7
10/09/2014 7:32 pm
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At the bottom:
Dong dynasty 600 years AD & Dong dynasty 1020 years AD
In the middle:
Ming dynasty 1300 years AD & Dong dynasty 600 years AD
To the side:
*** dynasty 70 years AD
On top:
Han dynasty 380 years AD & Han dynasty 400 years AD
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10/09/2014 9:21 pm
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Midaeval, do yourself a favor and mitigate the venom of your comments. You are making no friends here, and you can assume that the next valid member complaint about your attitude (won't be the first) will be the end of your time at CCF. Our purpose here is to provide the collector education you would seem to prefer they get elsewhere. That means, for those experts who choose to be among us, a litany of repeatedly answering elementary questions. It's OK if that's not for you, but it's not OK to lay an inferiority complex on the membership.
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Our purpose here is to provide the collector education you would seem to prefer they get elsewhere. Not at all, I am glad to answer every question which might help people to learn more about the subject. My principle has always been that no question is too dumb if it is asked, as long as it is not repeated over and over. But if my comments/suggestions are not considered helpful I will try to avoid making them. |
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Well, Med, you read what I read.
I thought that I MUST be wrong because I cannot find any reference to the Dong Dynasty anywhere else.
IF the 'D' was actually an 'S' that would make sense because there was a 'Song Dynasty', but the dates don't line up because one of the coins is dated 600 AD and the 'Song Dynasty' didn't start until around 960 AD.
The 'Han Dynasty spread over 206 BC to 220 AD and yet the reference to Han on the card is (as you say) 380 AD to 400 AD. after the actual 'Han Dynasty' had ended.
However, the Ming dynasty is spot on at 1300 AD (rounded).
This is what I was referring to when I made the comment that I couldn't understand the description as it was written.
Does anyone have a clue as to where I am not understanding what is on the card before me, or is it just wrong?
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I wish I could help, but I'm not good with these unless I have them in hand with the reference book opened in front of me.
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Thanks for the thought, echizento. I recently came into possession of a couple of books that may help me out, here, given time (next week) to go through them.
Thanks again,
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I have NO idea how to pick fakes with these.
MUCH better with Greek and Roman ancients; much more written on them as well.
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I can't help much with those, apart from providing a link to the site that shows a similar item. I have quite a few coins that are very close to the ones in the centre of the card but no idea on the ID or if they are early or not, I will dig them out of the box and post a few pics.
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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10/11/2014 10:38 am
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Good find 'MetDet71'.
Seems like mass-produced tourist objects. Especially the close-up of the top one, looks far too modern to be from the period stated. My guess is that all objects except the cash are modern fakes, with common cash coins thrown in to make it more deceptive.
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cool TC, I hope those are real...they are pretty neat...but I just know much about them. here's a great place for basic info on Chinese coins...they have some basic stuff on you knife "coins" and similar things. http://primaltrek.com/chinesecoins.html |
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MD,CM, great stuff. It IS mine. MD - From what I can translate, the Chinese found it on the US ebay site at the same time I did, and they started a thread about its authenticity. They finally decided that it was not authentic, and did not bid. I did and I won it. Thanks. Either way, my $18 is well spent. MD - I don't know how you did that - very impressive. Have you thought of a career in MI6? (Sorry, I forgot. Not allowed to mention that, . . . . or the War.) CM - I have recorded the link and I have had a quick look. I will keep it for future reference, as I think that it will be of great help to me. Thanks. Echizento - as always - thanks for your help. Edited by Topcat7
10/12/2014 5:28 pm
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