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Unidentified Roman Coin, ID Help?

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Hey all. New to ancients collecting (I'm mainly into US stuff) and I need some help identifying a small Roman bronze. I bought it in an uncleaned lot, so it's a little crusty. I can make out the face of an emperor on the obverse. On the reverse, I've identified the design as the winged figure of Victory, facing left and carrying a wreath. I had a few questions on the coin:

-Is it genuine?
-What emperor is depicted?
-What date(s) was it made?
-What denomination is it?
-Where was it minted?
-Other comments?

Thanks all!

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The coin is ancient and appears to be a Late Roman Bronze (LRB) of the emperor Valentinian I 364-375 AD or Valens 364-378 AD. I'm leaning towards Valentinian I. The reverse is Victory advancing left hold wreath and palm. Because of the poor condition of the coin it's impossible to read the mint mark.
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The reverse of your coin is SECVRITAS REIPVBLICAE, Victory holding a wreath and palm branch. This type was issued for Valentinian I, Valens, Gratian and Valentinian II. The first ones were issued circa A.D. 364. Your coin is too corroded for me to make out the name on the obverse or the mint in the exergue...maybe Siscia, but it is hard to tell.
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Thanks for the help! A few more things:

-Is "Late Roman Bronze" the name of the denomination or is there a Latin word for it?
-How can you tell what the legend says? I can't make out a single letter.
-Anything else I can do to help narrow down the emperor?

I have the coin soaking in olive oil, maybe some more detail will be revealed. Ancients are so different than what I'm used to, I'll have to learn more about them!
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LRB is a name given to Roman coins towards the later part of the empire. The denomination is not really known so these coins are identified by size. AE1 coins over 25mm, AE2 coins from 21-25mm, AE3 coins from 15-21mm, and AE4 coins less than 15mm.

These coins are very common and are fairly easy to identify, but it's always best to have full legends.

There is a sticky thread here on Books, downloads and websites that has tons of info on ancient coins. You should check it out.

Also here is a link to a free book on Roman coins that you can down load. http://www.dirtyoldbooks.com/eric.html
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Is "Late Roman Bronze" the name of the denomination or is there a Latin word for it?

One of the things which you will discover once you get involved with ancients collecting is that there are gaps in our knowledge. We know some things, such as the list of names of the emperors and when they reigned, but other things - even simple things like "what did the Romans call these coins?", or the denominational relationships between these coins and those other coins - we simply don't know. Nobody bothered to write it down or if they did, the writings have been lost. The only word recorded in the surviving writings to describe them is "nummus", which is simply the Latin word for "coin"; whether this was supposed to be the proper name for this denomination as well is unknown. The word "follis" is also attached to them, though this more properly belongs to either earlier or later coins.

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How can you tell what the legend says? I can't make out a single letter.

Reading damaged and/or badly worn ancient coins is a skill that takes practise and experience. In this case, experience helps a lot; coins from this time period were fairly rigid in their design; if the coin has Victory (a winged-angel-like figure) walking, then the legend must read SECVRITAS REIPVBLICAE or some variant thereof, since that is the only legend to appear with this coin type at this time. Then practice comes into play: once you identify the rough type and can match it with a reference example, you know what it's supposed to say, so you can match up some of the blobs with the letters that they're supposed to be. In this case, REIPUBLI is fairly clearly readable.

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Anything else I can do to help narrow down the emperor?

In theory, we can apply the same principles used on the reverse on the obverse as well, to narrow down the emperor's name. Unfortunately, this piece is I suspect too far gone to ID it further by the name; the parts where the most useful letters ought to be are exactly the parts where the edge of the coin is most corroded away. And portraiture on the coinage of this period simply isn't reliable enough to distinguish one emperor from another just by the portrait, as you can on many earlier Roman coins.
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since that is the only legend to appear with this coin type at this time.


very rarely you will find this type with the GLORIA ROMANORVM reverse. However, this is unusual, and in this case, I can make out the last half of the reverse legend.

I almost forgot the even rarer type of Victory with wreath and palm-- FELICITAS ROMANORVM



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