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Belgium 5 Francs 1871

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 Posted 10/11/2014  11:42 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add georok to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Your opinion for this coin?

Belgium-5-Francs-1871

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 Posted 10/11/2014  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic biz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe cleaned or dipped

Grade EF (XF)

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 Posted 10/13/2014  02:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These coins are reasonably easy to obtain in nice condition for a good price; I have three of different dates close to this one.

This coin has a higher grade than any of mine.
Nicely struck, with hard to find wear on the high points only. Small nicks and scratches consistent with a crown sized piece for grade. Perhaps has had a very light chemical clean, but some of the lustre remains, especially in the devices.

AU58.
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 Posted 10/13/2014  08:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add georok to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks
when you say chemicals, it means no gradeable?
because NCS uses chemicals too
I will post my photos when I receive it
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 Posted 10/15/2014  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PatAR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Based on what I see there are a lot of marks on the obverse, some broken luster, slight wear on high points, and what might be hairlines on obverse field and neck area. The coin does appear to have been dipped at some point. That does not necessarily mean it won't grade. It depends on whether it was done properly and how apparent the hairlines, if any, are when viewed in hand.

If you take it in hand and tilt and roll it under incandescent light you should get a better idea as to how much actual luster remains and whether hairlines are apparent.

My best estimate from this photo is that it is AU55 or AU details, depending on whether hairlines are present.
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 Posted 10/16/2014  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add georok to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
we'll see when I receive it. If it hasn't any hairlines I will send it for grading and tell you the result
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 Posted 10/16/2014  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In my opinion ALL coins are gradeable, irrespective of Third Party Grading policies.
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 Posted 10/22/2014  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismaticjunkie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I say its XF45 details..
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I'll weigh in simply to say there's no obvious wear that'd justify busting it down into the XF range. It's probably been dipped, but evidently not overdone as the luster looks proper, and even Q. David Bowers countenances that process when a coin's toning is unattractive. I think PatAR has got it right in that whether a "details" annotation will apply or not will be dependent on if there're any hairlines to be found. It's a higher grade specimen with overall good eye appeal, and if it's "market" graded rather than on solely a technical basis, the result to the upside may surprise.
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 Posted 10/23/2014  12:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To my eyes it looks more ~AU due to the luster and high point details.
I hope to hear from members in Belgium to hear their opinion--I always learn something.
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10/23/2014 12:51 am
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 Posted 10/27/2014  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add georok to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i received today, the luster does not exist that much, just a vey "artistic" photo from the seller.
So, what is its value at au55 grade?
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