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I Need Help Identifying This Medal Please.

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I have searched all over but have come up with nothing about this medal. The case is from Germany but that doesn't mean the medal was produced there. I was thinking it may be French but I don't know for sure. It has nothing on it other then the image on the front. The medal is not signed and has no clues to offer where it may have come from or where it was produced. It is 2.5" wide X 2.5" high & .5" thick. It weighs in heavy at 431 grams or 15.20 ounces. My hope is someone will have some info about this particular piece. Thanks!

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 Posted 10/22/2014  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How does the case look like? Is there anything written on the case?
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The bottom of the case is stamped Germany.
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I can tell you who, or rather what, is depicted: it's a typical "river-god" scene, a personification of a river, as commonly seen on ancient coins. Doesn't really help much with ID, though, since we can't tell which river.

The other side is completely blank, I assume. Are there any stamps or markings on the edge?

If it says "Germany" on the case, and assuming the medal actually originally belonged in that case, then it was made for export to an English-speaking country, as the word "Germany" is English, not German. It also dates it to the pre-WWII period as a post-war piece would probably say "West Germany".
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Have to (mostly) agree with 'Sap'. But would like to add that if made for export it would likely have a "Made in Germany", so if it has only "Germany" on it, it could have been stamped at the place of import (picture?).
Note: the "Made in Germany" was applied to plenty merchandise in West Germany whether for export to any country or for local consumption.
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Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, there are no stamps or markings. I will take additional pics of the case and the stamp asap. I'm also trying to figure out what this medal is made of. I'm assuming it is plated but it seems to be very dense...do you think I should do a density test? Thanks for your help!
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Are there any markings along the edge of the medal?
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There is nothing on the medal other then the image on the front>
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...do you think I should do a density test?

If you like, though a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation based on the dimensions you've already given can give a ballpark figure for density and work out if it is at least likely to be gold or not. Let me go and find a really, really old ruler so I can figure out how large an "inch" is in metric, and I can do the math for you.

Volume of medal = approx. 49 cm3
Mass of medal = 431 grams
Density = 431/49 = 8.8 g/cm3.

Gold should come out at double that, at least. So no, it's not solid gold. It might be plated silver (my guesstimate of volume is not accurate enough to rule silver out), it might be gilt copper or some other base-metal. A proper specific gravity test - or an eddy current test with a super-powerful magnet - should tell the difference between those two options.
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Sure would have been nice if it was solid gold! That would have been a big chunk of gold. Thanks for all you help Sap!
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Paperweight maybe?

Without any sort of markings, an ID will be impossible unless someone happens to recognize it.
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I know it is almost impossible to find out about this medal since it has no markings and was not signed. I am just hoping someone might recognize it. I have attached some additional pics of the case and the stamp on the case. I will keep my fingers crossed.



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My guess is that you have a better chance to get an idea what it is from an antique dealer/auction house.
With the case stamped like that, I would agree with 'Sap' that it is an older German manufactured piece, potentially prior to WW1.

@ 'Sap' - shame on you that you do not know by heart that 2.54cm = inch
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