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1890 IHC Die Clash

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This 1890 Indian Head cent looks to have a die clash by the eye and some other oddities.

I am new to Indian Head cents I do have the new snow attribution guide but no obverse die clashes mentioned must be common.

Something about the date, the shield and wreath looked different then my other 1890.

Anything I am missing on this.

Any comments, suggestion or feedback welcome.



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 Posted 10/22/2014  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Drsandman2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great pics and thanks for posting. The clashing that you see is very, very common on the IHC series. Never pay a premium for what you see here. I have also seen clashes this strong with a die rotation of 90 degrees - those are cool to look at.

I don't see any variety on this coin. This date has a reverse off-center clash, but I don't see it. This date also has a quadrupled die obverse, but alas this is not an example.

Great coin, though and happy hunting!

EDIT: the doubling that you see on the outside of the wreath and shield are Strike Doubling, extra outlines, and/or Die Deterioration.

Take a look at the 1905 S20. It has a fantastic example of a double die reverse. You will find doubling on the INSIDE of the devices, like the veins in the leaves or extra lines inside the shield.

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Thx Drsandman2, I gathered up a few hundred ef, xf and au IHC and I am just starting to go through them but it seams tricky till I get more familiar with them. I check them against the snow attribution guide vol3 first but I seen alot of stuff not covered in them I have questions about.

I will just label this a minor die clash. I have a dansco album for the nicest of each date and then I am putting the varieites, errors into a 4 inch binder of 2x2's.
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No problem and thanks for sharing. I have found that in unsearched Indians, varieties occur about one in ten. Rick Snow is planning to release a new book in December. The most recent guide out now is missing a lot of varieties. In fact, Rick's newest book is already out of date as I am sitting on 7-8 new varieties.

I'd recommend using at least a 10x to look for varieties, although Rick always says that if you can't see it with a 5x, then it isn't a variety. Well, he has a plethora of varieties I can't see unless it is under my microscope at 30x. There must be 20 varieties that have only repunching under the flag of the 1, which I will NEVER see at 5x.

Be sure to post anything odd here on the forums, or any varieties that you find interesting. I'll be happy to help you out. If you have coins that really need a second look in-hand, let me know and I can hook you up with a couple of Fly-in Club members. I don't recommend sending anything to Rick. The last batch of coins I sent to him, he lost them. Not to mention, there were 16 coins - almost all of which were MS. Two of them were cherry full red 1864 bronze. He eventually found them, but by that point he had lost them for 11 months. And when he sent me my coins back, he didn't bother to look at more than a couple of coins.

He returned a new bisecting die crack I found as no variety, only to list it under someone else's name as a new variety in the subsequent Longacre Ledger. Not to mention, one of the coins was rattling around loose in the box. A very nice 1873 with a MPD in XF. Yeah... you can imagine what that coin looked like.

Another buddy of mine - Rick lost his coin, but my buddy noticed it for sale on Rick's site. He eventually got it back, and has a similar experience as mine... with Rick losing his coins for over a year.

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I just got the snow book vol 3 wow outdated already

the one in dec is different?

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No that looks like the new one. I guess he has the PDF available - word on the street was the print version is due in Dec. But I don't really know.

Yeah, this series is prime for die variety research. Look up the 1907 S57 and S58 in your book. I found those earlier this year... and there are more out there, surely.
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Look up the 1907 S57 and S58 in your book
Congrats on those finds! I see those two in my pdf guides--so I guess I have the updated editions.
As for the 1890, the dies look later-stage, which might explain the semi-circle mark near Liberty's eye.
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yip ends with Snow 58
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Nice photos and I hope you will learn how to use those arrows to direct us to the spot. Those are great. I can see that clash in the shield for sure.
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Yeah, the 1907 Goatee is not all that rare. Although it was attributed to me, two other examples were found prior to my find by members of the club. Immediately after the attribution, I took to ebay and found one other. Another friend in the club did the same. I now have 4 or 5 1907 Goats, including the discovery piece and finest known. No MS state coins have been found. Was keeping this one a secret until the book came out, but now you know!!
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Lol shoulda named it soul patch.
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