Crusader Denier For ID Please!

Thanks Echizento! It looks like no one is able to help, lol. I have sent myself cross-eyed in the last two days trying to decipher the legend and compare it with other examples from the time. I've drawn a blank.

I have searched ACSearch, PishPash. I'm not saying it isn't there, but it didn't leap out at me. Many of the descriptions don't include the legend and unfortunately my abilities of recognition with these Medieval scripts are limited. I've looked in various places...its a tough one, for me at least, but I am sure someone more used to these coins could pin it down quite easily. Forgetting the legend, a lot of coins from Achaea and elsewhere have this style...

Echizento, I am so grateful to you for your efforts, but sad to say I had already been through both of those yesterday. The Baldwin link doesn't seem to have anything at all similar. I had to go through the other one far more carefully, because there are many of this style, but no luck. Unless I am misreading the legends (which is highly probable), I could not see a match.

I think I need a medieval specialist. Do you know any?

Now for the bad news.
The denier tournois with this specific castle design was used not only in the Crusader States but also by other European princes.
If my eye don't belie me, the inscription on the cross side includes "+Tre...tenROI:" (small letter = not sure), not aware that there was a king in the crusader states with a name starting with 'T', Tancred was only a regent in Antioch.

The good news is,
that that does not preclude the coin from being a crusader coin - not all have been described so far and rather than giving the ruler, the quoted inscription might refer to the territory.

Very difficult to make out from a picture. Having the coin in your hand you have the advantage of being able to twist and turn it to get a better image in your mind.
The one at 6'o'clock could be R,P,T or even H or as you suspect F.
Try to pick up one letter at a time on the reverse and see if anything there makes sense.
As said, the denier tournois was one of the most imitated coinages in the middle ages and until the full catalogue 'VisigothKing' mentioned the other day comes out there will be no comprehensive guide (and even the collection of the Fitzwilliam Museum while huge is not complete, so gaps will remain), while the castle design varies there are still some which have the same style as associated with crusader coinage.

Postscript:

Hope you can find a decent match and don't have to leave it as "denier tournois struck sometime in the 13th-16th century" for years to come.

As a note to your post in another topic:




If you want to get a feeling for the diversity of medieval coinage and the numerous coin issuing agencies, google for:

kuenker auktion 121
kuenker auktion 130
kuenker auktion 137

Those are three auction catalogues covering the sale of a massive collection of medieval coins - they are available as downloadable eBooks but you can read them online (I stumbled across them when I searched for a specific ruler once).

And yes, there are a few 'denier tournois' in there but more 'gros tournois' (still an indication that the specific issuing agency might have minted 'denier tournois' as well).

In the end you might have to rest your coin for some time until you accidentally stumble across the right one. Has happened to me just yesterday, watch out for a new topic coming from me soon.

Well it's a lead that I can explore, so thanks very much Kayaker. At present I seem to have put exploring this coin's ID in stasis, but when I get around to it again and if I have any luck, I will let people know if I have any success...