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Ultrasonic Test Meter Best To Verify AU & Ag Authenticity?

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 Posted 10/27/2014  1:53 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

I just want an inexpensive and repeatably accurate means of ensuring that prospective gold and silver 'coins' are not fake having %s of tungsten & platinum composition that can virtually replicate the same S.G., weight, and dimensions of a 100% authentic U.S. $ 20 gold piece, for example.

It has been suggested that XRF, SG, and measured dimensions are all limited in scope and quite often not 100% definitive in the produced results.

On the other hand measuring the speed of sound with a transmitted signal will allegedly always vary when comparing solid AU against tungsten-filled AU bars thus allowing one to pick out the counterfeit ones quite readily.

Can anyone comment on the effectiveness of the following TM-8811 ultrasonic thickness gauge measuring device being that it apparently allows one to set the velocities for PMs?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TM8811-Ultr...054897.l4275

For less than $ 150 maybe I could even carry this thing around in my trunk to use at yard sales and auctions where I encounter AU and Ag coins for sale.

Thanks for some opinions,

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 Posted 10/28/2014  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

It's hard to believe that no one on CCF wants would like to take a stab at this topic to at least voice an opinion even if they do not consider themselves an expert...

Otherwise, a referral to an informative URL on this topic would be much appreciated.

Thanks

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 Posted 10/28/2014  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgCoinAu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mdp: please do not be offended... it's just that I have no information on this technique what so ever!

I have always used S.G., measurements and "ring" as my tests... However I rarely buy from a source I am not comfortable with or that doesn't have a good reputation.

My opinion ... if I were to come across a "garage sale" with gold coins I would already be skeptical.. but that's perhaps b/c of where I'm from... if you sold gold coins in my neighbourhood at a garage sale... you would be in essence saying "hey look at all these valuable and yup they're at this residence".. you could expect a call or visit from some neighbourhood neadrathals within the day.

From a scientific point of view it sounds like it would work... sound waves move through different materials at different rates... but with gold and tungstun being so similar in molecular structure and density I think the measuring apparatus would have to be very very sensitive.

I know that there is a hand held portable device that was recently taken to a show in the states that would determine the content of a coin... even if it was in a slab.. (perhaps there's someone out here that if they know what I'm talking about could provide the link)....

That piece of technology looks pretty promising..

As for the link you provided.. this is the first I've heard of it... so for me the jury would still be out until I could test or use it myself.
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 Posted 10/28/2014  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's some discussion on https://gold-forum.kitco.com/archiv...-127299.html

However, if it could accurately be used to determine purity of gold and silver, don't you think the manufacturer (and the ebay seller) would be singing those praises from the rooftops ?
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 Posted 11/10/2014  04:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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a "garage sale" with gold coins I would already be skeptical..


More often than not some of these estate sales are the result of someone's significant other passing on resulting with the other half acquiring numismatic assets prompting their desire to acquire some quick cash.

And keep in mind that any adroit buyer MUST always pose a form of the following question to the ‘assumed' non-numismatic-educated owner,

'Do you happen to have any coins or jewelry from a deceased spouse or relative that really didn't mean much to you or better stated: no existing emotional attachment...?'

I can, however, understand one's skepticism if a scrapper were to run into someone at a garage sale with a decent amount of numismatic knowledge trying to sell gold coins.

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 Posted 11/10/2014  04:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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...a hand held portable device that was recently taken to a show in the states that would determine the content of a coin... even if it was in a slab...


As a follow-up to the above inquiry I would think this is an area of discourse worth pursuing further should one have any related intelligence on the whereabouts of such a device (s).
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 Posted 11/10/2014  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justsilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just bought and picked up this device in USA few days ago.
Ultrasonic-Test-Meter-Best-To-Verify-AU-&-Ag-Authenticity?

So far, only able to test on 3/4oz Grey Wolf Silver Coin, and the test was accurate.

Will test more coins& bars when I get back to Canada.
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 Posted 11/10/2014  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Garage or yard sales aren't common where I live but there are some car boot sales during the warmer months.

I've seen a lot of apparently genuine silver and gold ingots in the form of bars attached to chains this year. No doubt some were genuine but most seemed unlikely to be genuine.

Who wouldn't seek an offer from a jeweller first - they would soon be told if something wasn't genuine ?

Large gold ingots attached to very light chains.
Gold ingots stamped 16K or 7K.
Silver ingots stamped with a unicorn and 925 !
Silver ingots as light as aluminium.
Silver ingots with rust marks.
A very light gold ingot, marked 18K but I suspect just surface plating.
I assumed these were all fake but others I wasn't certain about.

Buyer beware!
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