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Advise About A Potentially Damaged Coin From RCM

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 Posted 10/28/2014  4:59 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add aljawo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all,
I am quite new in this world of collecting beautiful coins so I am aiming to your wisdom.
I received a 2oz Silver Coin from the RCM and I noticed a couple of dents on the coin's rim (see attached photo)

I am quite unsure about what to do.. the coin is out of stock so no replacement is possible.. therefore, I need to decide about a reimboursement. Please let me know what should I do.. Is this type of defect impact the valuation in the feature ?

thanks !

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 Posted 10/28/2014  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add artdio to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say keep it.. Those tiny marks should have no impact what so ever
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 Posted 10/28/2014  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Call, as to return, they may have some extra stock somewhere. Worst case return it, wait 3 monhts, buy it in secondary market at 20% discount.
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 Posted 10/28/2014  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aljawo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I called, no more stock, not even reserved for exchanges.. Curious comment about 20% discount in secondary markets.. Aren't coins supposed to get a price hike once are not more available at the mint ?
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 Posted 10/28/2014  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aljawo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here another picture..

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 Posted 10/28/2014  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Liverpool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Curious comment about 20% discount in secondary markets.. Aren't coins supposed to get a price hike once are not more available at the mint ?"

Welcome aljawo
Good advice on returning it . If they can come up with a replacement great if not the advice above is pretty good. Odds are it will be on sale in a few months.

Currently buying new RCM products at issue price is much like buying pretty scratch tickets. The odd one may go up in value but most hang around issue or as purelywasted stated, a 20% discount.
You have to enjoy the art on these new coins because you maybe holding them a long time.

Best of Luck (remember, I am just one voice and my ideas may or may not be what ends up in the end being correct.
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 Posted 10/28/2014  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a $200 for $200 sold at FV by the Mint. It is very unlikely that it will ever sell at a 20% discount.

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 Posted 10/28/2014  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good catch CC-Ottawa, I did not look closely at the coin. My suggestion would then be to hang onto it (if you really like the coin) and look for another one at face value or close to it. When you get the new one, sell/cash in your damaged one for face or better.

At the very least you have a coin that will not depreciate from its $200 value. RBC seems to be the bank that will consistently take the $Xfor$X, assuming you have an account with them.
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 Posted 10/28/2014  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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"Curious comment about 20% discount in secondary markets.. Aren't coins supposed to get a price hike once are not more available at the mint ?"


This is nice coin.
but if you bought it as investment - forget about it and return the coin. This one will stay face value, and only in case if final mintage is low - the price will go up.

As per for the imperfection - it's OK, imo - not critical at all.
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 Posted 10/28/2014  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aljawo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everybody for the insights.. I believe it is a rare issue because it was the first $200 coin minted in Canada.. (what the RCM says). They market now in parallel channels for a 10% premium..

What are mainly take is that the imperfection is not critical and of course fv will be always fv. I believe that all the $x for $x are a nice deal.. You get a crafted piece for free.

Thanks again and I keep waiting for more thoughts, love forums!
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 Posted 10/28/2014  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I believe it is a rare issue because it was the first $200 coin minted in Canada.


First silver coin. RCM issued not a few $200 gold NCLTs.


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$x for $x are a nice deal.


Good coins in over all, but again, as per "deal" people have many stories trying to deposit for example "20for20" to the bank.

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 Posted 10/29/2014  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aljawo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Silveroid ! Actually I didn't know that you could cash the numismatic coins at a bank..
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 Posted 10/29/2014  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I get a kick at all the warning about cashing in these coins. When several people are successful and the mint has a set process in place. It's true the bank maybe not knowledgable and need to be educated on it. There's many sold on ebay at profit. Yes it does take these coins time to gain in value. Today's society is after instant gratification!! If it doesn't rise in value prior to leaving the mints doorstep, it's immediately branded a flop - good grief we are collectors mainly and not pure flippers. Yes people sell a popular coin occasional to generate funds for other desired coins. It's getting tiresome to hear coin bashing just based on sole fact of it not increasing immediately!! The smart shopper is aware of trend, and knows where & when to score a bargain.
Yes, this coin value will increase over time like the 2011 maple $20 for $20, it will take time!
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 Posted 10/29/2014  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add R4mn33k to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin is really nice in hand, and it will definitely hold value so there is nothing to loose, even in coins where you loose some value, it is still worth it. These coins are not meant to be a business, it's more of an extremely cheap hobby, with not much next cost. As opposed to those who have a hobby of driving new cars, the minute the car goes from new to used, it's value crashes, but it does not happen with these coins, no matter what the coin it is, most if not all hold atleast like 80-90% of their value.
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 Posted 10/29/2014  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Yes, this coin value will increase over time like the 2011 maple $20 for $20, it will take time!


I will not bash the coin due to it's non profitability.
I felt that the main reason that aljawo bought it - expectation for future recognition and raise of the value.
And in my opinion:

1. Just do not see why this coin will be popular (only due to low final mintage(
2. The future profitability should be probably one of the lasts reasons to put the money in the coin.

Btw:
My TD branch re-opened after renovations. With media and free coffee/tea/treats from the old Citroen truck.
And yesterday, seeing this, I entered there with my 6 "20for20" coins......They deposited them immediately, and this after one week ago, where teller and managers told me, that TD has no agreement with RCM and will not take the coins even for content price.

This fact raised my belief in NCLT, but still, I will not buy "XforX" due to huge mintage and relatively poor design.
Except "200for200" that have a potential, being big coin.
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 Posted 10/29/2014  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ Silveroid, it's a very interesting change of heart your bank had.
A positive change. I doubt banks will take other Nclt than $ for $ coins. I just think people shouldn't panic, but be persistent. I'm looking for certain designs, but must have folders.
I guess main thing, is to only buy, if certain you want the coin for collection. Using this strategy should lessen need to return to bank. We don't try and return other Nclt coins to bank! These should be treated same, thereby less pain for collector. I'm saying use same criteria, as for deciding to buy other Nclt coins.

Silveriod, I hope you didn't think I was referring to your comments. I was referring to the general tone that's emerging, when we all know the facts, the past couple years.
Yes, there's people buying a bunch to get the cash back discount on credit card. This I think is risky, it's the individual who needs to decide whether they accept this risk.
I don't see a risk in buying 1 coin for it's design, only my opinion.
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