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These two came in a world coin collection I purchased, marked on holder as errors, I know nothing about errors, could these be legit or is it just PMD on both?

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 Posted 10/30/2014  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Planchet clips. Nice!
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It would be helpful if you can take a closer photo of the clip and the rim opposite of the clip. I can't tell too much from your photo.
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 Posted 10/30/2014  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add srcliff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They look like they were clipped from birth to me! Error in other words not PMD.
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Fake errors all the way. There's no blakesy effect and you can see the obvious excess metal build up on the edge of the clip from it being ground down/cut after strike, also with clips this big you would expect to see at least some weakness near the clip from the lack of metal to fill the die.
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I'm leaning heavily towards the "fake" side.
"thedollarman" has nailed the reasons.
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OK, I grabbed a bunch of additional photos...



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Again, I am entirely ignorant in regards to errors, what is a blakesy effect?
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To start off I gotta say no doubt these are fake, you can see the filing marks on the first pic. Sorry

The blakesly effect is a weakness of rim and strike opposite to the clipped side of the coin because of the lack of metal to fill the die since clipped coins aren't round and have metal missing.
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I agree with Dollarman. With the additional photos I say fake.
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They look fake to me as well but I'm still learning so I could be wrong. This link should help answer some questions.

http://board.conecaonline.org/showt...d.php?t=2600
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I spoke too soon. I can see tool marks in one of your additional pics. Sorry.
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I'm no expert on the blakesly effect but for me the alarm bells started ringing when I saw how worn the 1920 sixpence is. Surely no genuine clipped planchet would have survived in circulation so long
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I can't see any evidence of the Blakesley Effect.
That makes me lean to the possibility of a fake error.

Search Google Images 'blakesley effect coins' for pictorial examples.
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just to much wear tells me to run away from these fakes
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Definite fakes.
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 Posted 11/03/2014  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, fakes now. Too many scratches
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