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1960-S Lincoln Cent Woodies?

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 Posted 11/09/2014  9:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add GRcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi All

Here are some apparent woodies. Some are hard to see in the photos. On the 1963 cent, the pattern is most visible on Lincoln's forehead and nose.

I think the 2 1961s in my previous post are also woodies and one of the plugged coins in the next post as well.

Thanks for your help!

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 Posted 11/09/2014  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GRcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi All

I added the 1964 instead of the 1963. Here that is.

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 Posted 11/09/2014  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, those are woodies. Perhaps not the most aesthetic woodies, but Woodies non the less.
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 Posted 11/10/2014  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see any of the coins posted as being woodies,IMHO
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You really have to understand what a woody is and the conditions that cause the visual cues we understand as woodies. While some woodies are visually identifiable from the moment of the minting of the coin; others only appear with oxidation. In other words the different alloys in the planchet change color at different rates AND with different hues. The three most common alloys and elements are Copper, Brass and Bronze. Brass provides light streaks. Bronze dark streaks, Copper reddish streaks that also turn dark over time.

Dark streaking is common after 1942 and is the rule after 1949; though there are exceptions. The most common of which are the darker planchets of 1946-9 with streaks of brass. As well as the more traditional woodies produced by the San Francisco mint all the way up to the end of production in 1955.

I look at thousands of cents a day. These are what I call technical woodies. I.e. they are improperly mixed planchets that are beginning to show the visual cues associated with dissimilar toning/oxidation.

I am in fact writing a book on Woodies, and as much as anyone on this board am a subject matter expert.
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 Posted 11/10/2014  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure these are 'woodies' either.
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 Posted 11/10/2014  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think part of the problem is that there is no commonly accepted accepted definition of what a Woody is.

Most people became aware of woodies by looking at toned coins that have an obvious wood toned appearance. But 99 percent of those coins started out looking normal, and with little or no trace of wood toning. In fact like those in the OP.

So the question is; are woodies only woodies when they tone? Or are they always woodies; albeit in different stages?

I'm of the opinion that an improperly mixed planchent is always an improperly mixed planchet; regardless of the state of toning.

In fact one of the hardest things for my book is determine the percentages of woodies by year and mint mark. I generally take a sample of 500 to 1000 coins in 50 coin lots. Most woodies before 1950 have toned, and are very easy to pick out visually. Ante 1950 Woodies are much trickier.

After about a year I determined that to be strictly accurate, I needed to look at each coin under magnification. This methodology significantly changed things. It became necessary to separate woodies into two classifications. The first are the traditional Woodies that are obviously woodies. The second are the "technical woodies", that are in the process of toning.

Once you have looked at half a million coins to do this research; you will develop an eye for early stage woodies as in the OP.

The bottom line is that if you are looking for traditional woodies, then these probably don't work for you. If you are asking if these are woodies in an absolute sense. Then yes; these are early state woodies derived from an improperly mixed planchet.

Something else; while doing the research for this book I've discovered that some coins that most would label PMD and/or Acid damaged, are in fact woodies.

There is much, much more to the study of woodies than simply looking at an attractively streaked coin and noting it as such. Or at least I hope to prove that in the next year or so.
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Thanks for your comments! These coins have narrow banded striping, which I'd seen identified as woody in the Canadian forum a few weeks ago.

As jmkendall says, the coins aren't the most attractive examples!

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