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Felt a strong itch to acquire another Vandal coin for my collection, and fortunately I was able to find this very nice example.

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This may look like an anonymous unofficial imitative ("barbarous"), but the style of it pretty much matches (at least in my view) that of known cross-within-wreath coins of Hilderic, such as those below (first is from Tantalus and second is from Coinproject):

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On closer inspection of my coin, I also believe I see the letters IL from the obverse legend HILD REX.

My coin's attribution:

Hilderic, Vandal Kingdom
AE nummus
Obv: HILD [REX], pearl-diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right
Rev: Cross potent within wreath, ring above
Mint: Carthage (struck 523-530 AD)
Ref: BMC Vandals 9
Size: 9 mm wide

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Hilderic ruled as King of the Vandals and Alans, who ruled a post-Roman Germanic realm in North Africa, with the capital at Carthage. He was the grandson of the famed Gaiseric, and son of Huneric, and Eudocia, the daughter of Western Roman emperor Valentinian III, meaning Hilderic was of Roman descent in addition to being Vandal. He ascended the throne in 523 when he was in his 50s or 60s, and his reign is marked by improved relations with his Catholic Christian Roman subjects (Hilderic and the Vandal nobility were Arian Christians) and by extension the Eastern Roman Empire and its ruler Justinian, who was a very good friend of Hilderic. After becoming king, Hilderic converted to Catholic Christianity, the same religion as his mother, and soon other members of the Vandal nobility converted as well. Other nobles were not pleased by this, however, and soon a coup occurred, led by Hilderic's cousin, Gelimer. Hilderic and his family were imprisoned. Emperor Justinian did not take kindly to what Gelimer had done, and after unsuccessfully negotiating for Hilderic's restoration, sent his forces to invade the Vandal Kingdom. Unfortunately Justinian was too late to save Hilderic, who was executed by Gelimer in 533, but his invasion of the Vandal Kingdom was successful and, as a result, for the first time in a century Roman rule was returned to Carthage and the rest of North Africa.
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Interesting coin, are you leaving it as is or are you going to try to clean up the obverse a bit?
Seems you are getting more and more of the Kingdoms of the East Germanic Tribes together, soon you will have to consider upgrading to 'Emperor'.
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 Posted 11/10/2014  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another excellent coin VK.
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Thanks all for the compliments!
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Interesting coin, are you leaving it as is or are you going to try to clean up the obverse a bit?
Believe me, its tempting! I'm pretty ok at cleaning but I don't want to risk ruining this rare coin.
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Seems you are getting more and more of the Kingdoms of the East Germanic Tribes together, soon you will have to consider upgrading to 'Emperor'.
Nah, emperor is sooo 5th century
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I enjoyed reading the 'prose' because I had come across the Vandals in my schooling in the middle part of the last Century when such things were taught, (I wasn't aware that they were Christians though), but I don't recall the 'Alans'.
Do you have any more information on them?

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The Alans were a group of Sarmatian peoples of Iranian origin, from the area just north of the Caucasus Mountains (between the Black and Caspian Seas). Around the 360s-370s AD, the Alans were attacked by the Huns, and some Alans fled west, linking up with other barbarian tribes such as the Vandals and Sueves and later crossed the Rhine with them into Roman Gaul in December of 406. Soon these Alans settled in Hispania along with the Vandals. When the Alan king Attaces was killed in 418, the Alans asked the Vandal king Gunderic to accept the Alan throne. Gunderic did, and from that point forward, the Vandal kings were known as Rex Vandalorum et Alanorum. The Alans formally joined with the Vandals and migrated with them to North Africa.
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Thank you V.K.

Clear concise and to the point. Tres interessant.

Now that is some knowledge I did not have before. Again, thanks.

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And here is a coin of the guy that did Hilderic in, Gelimer:

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And a couple of Justinian, the only winner of the whole Hilderic-Gelimer affair:

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11/11/2014 5:38 pm
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 Posted 11/11/2014  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Enlil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coin looks good, pity they were vandals to coins
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 Posted 11/11/2014  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. Not sure what you mean by that last part though
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I think Enlil was making a joke at the decrepit style of the coins. In other words vandalizing the whole tradition of coin minting,

These small coins are sooo crappy but the history is some of the richest and most interesting of all time. Well done.
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That seated Justinian is an interesting coin. You don't see many of these around, though not rare I've only seen a few. Antioch/Theoupolis mint, SB 214.
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