| Author |
Replies: 18 / Views: 10,451 |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1454 Posts |
The device runs between $625 to $889, depending on the options one requires. IMO, this looks like a game-changer for PM community members who want to be absolutely sure they're not being swindled on coin and bar deals. I was wondering if anyone had purchased or used one, yet. I've heard they've been appearing at a lot of large coin shows since this summer but I haven't had the opportunity to use one. I'm seriously considering taking the plunge but need to find out if the device works across a wide spectrum of silver purity levels, as my collection includes a lot of world silver (plus, I have to convince the missus). http://www.sigmametalytics.com/http://www.ebay.com/itm/Precious-Me...em23404ebb89
|
|
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1215 Posts |
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1215 Posts |
I believe it uses diamagnetism to test the metal's purity.
It's like if you take a magnet to a silver coin and lift the magnet really quickly, the silver sticks momentarily.
|
|
Valued Member
Australia
193 Posts |
traevin asked Quote: I was wondering if anyone had purchased or used one, yet. justsilver recently bought one, but I don't think he has done much testing yet. https://goccf.com/t/189414
|
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
640 Posts |
I bought the device with billion wand and I did test on 30+ silver, including silver rounds, silver coins, silver bars (large & small) Kookaburra, silver panda (2009,2010,2011,2012,2013,2014, NGC slab), silver eagle, silver maple, Libertad, Hedgehog, ladybug, Zeus, etc Found 2 old silver rounds were counterfeit. ( 1oz Prospector Silver Round ), rest of items quickly passed the test, But RCM's silver plated copper coin ( 100 blessing coin ), when test, was mark on most right but inside bracket ( passed .999 silver coin) )  I then checked Precious Metal Verifer's manual, it showed the item I tested might be plated. Words written in manual does not give extensive explanation on plated coins. Also I tried to do test on two PCs 1/25oz Gold Coin (both sealed inside RCM capsules and unable to take out coins) but no success, maybe capsule is the problem. I will try on other gold coins next few days
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
648 Posts |
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
4333 Posts |
From what I've read this device is far from 100% accurate. Very useful though.
When I listen to LED ZEPPELIN...so do my neighbors... Roll hunting since '77 Dirt fishing since '72
|
|
Valued Member
United States
300 Posts |
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
711 Posts |
I buy materials and machinery for a living (and write PVC formulas, the root of all my employment). I can't imagine this would be a good investment for 99.999% of individuals.
Before you spend any capital (money), you should have an idea of the payback ratio.
The payback ratio is basically a look at the cost of the equipment vs the money saved by owning the equipment.
The cost is straight forward. You should add in any shipping, batteries, labor, etc for a fully loaded cost.
The savings are more difficult.
This will not make you money unless you are able to rent it out or sell it for more than you bought it, unlikely in either case. Zero savings so far.
Now if you are buying fakes and this prevents you from buying fakes where another method would not have caught the fake, then that is savings. You have purchased 2 ounces of fake silver you said. I would want to be certain that this machine isn't giving off false positives too. Perhaps they aren't fake and the machine isn't good enough? Assuming they are actually fake, you would have saved your purchase price at that point in time.
There is some value to the peace of mind, but since that doesn't pay my bills, I value that at zero as well. Perhaps I could give you credit for the incremental bump in pay for a more capable employee to man the pawn shop, but that would be stretching it honestly.
Most companies I know use a 2 year payback rule (or less). In other words, if you can't save me my investment cost over two years, you don't get to spend my money on your idea.
Here you would need to save at least $625 over two years to get approval to buy this from some faceless corporation.
So if you think you can save say $312.50 in a year, I would sign off for this for my businesses. If you can't and you pitched this idea, I would question why I employ you in that function.
Personally, I just can't see how this cost can be justified unless you are a high volume metals buyer, say a we buy gold place or a pawn shop or the like.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
711 Posts |
I was at my LCS yesterday and he had a whole tube of gold $10 eagles. Mostly Liberty Heads, but one Indian Head. Take your pick at $625 each. Heck the AU+ / BU's were only either $650 - 675 a piece.
I would much rather have a gold eagle than a machine honestly.
Gold may go up or it may go down, same with the numismatic / collector value. Who knows. As for the machine, that is going to depreciate for certain and likely won't ever pay itself off unless you are a high volume buyer of raw gold.
FYI the Indian Head is all mine at $625 out the door. Melts for roughly $560 - 570. Is it BU, hardly. Probably XF+ / AU- or basement slab MS70. Looks great in my basic gold type set.
|
|
Valued Member
United States
300 Posts |
So Buckeye, how do you know the gold coin you got was what you paid for? Just wondering?
If you hang around here long enough, you see some amazing looking fakes posted in some of the discussions. I guess that is why junk silver isn't so bad!!
Thanks!!
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
711 Posts |
How do I know it is not fake? I do not know for certain, but I am fairly confident.
One, I trust my local LCS. I am in there pretty much once a week and always defer to the end of the line just to listen in on the other deals. I have seen him spot out a couple of fakes before (Morgans mainly though he had a $3 gold princess that was fake but made out of real gold I considered as a hole filler). I pay for that trust and it is worth what I pay for it.
Two, the coins are the proper weight and dimension.
Three, the coins have the proper look and sound to them. It is going to be difficult to get the dimensions, weight, and look down. I collect the pre 1933 gold. It is one of my things.
Four, I have been on the lookout for fakes. I would like to have a fake collection too just for reference, but haven't acted on that yet.
I am pretty confident. I am not willing to have one less eagle in my collection to have a machine that may increase that level of confidence. It doesn't pay itself back.
Assuming these things do work and do work well and don't have false positives, you would first see these in coin shops and pawn shops. One for when they are buying to prevent losses. Two as a marketing tool. Obviously customers are concerned about fakes. A good dealer would alleviate this concern for a one time cost of $600 - 800 and allow customers to confirm their coin purchases on it. That could justify the existence of the machine. Once you start seeing it everywhere buying coins, then it may have merit. Until then, this is not something financially I want any part of. The market can judge this machine as far as I am concerned. When I see it everywhere to increase the level of trust when selling coins proven to not be a fake, then I will take notice. For now, man is that eagle shiny. Heavy too, but not too heavy. . . .
|
|
Valued Member
United States
300 Posts |
|
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
640 Posts |
Hi Buckeye,
I bought this device just out of curiosity, not for investment.
After all, warranty only last one year. lol
p.s. There was one YouTube video shows PCGS is using Precious Metal Verifier to test on coins.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
711 Posts |
Yea I am kind of worried about fakes too.
Not criticizing the purchase on anyone's end. Big property rights / individual rights guy. Spend your money as you wish.
Just laying out the thought process we use in capital expenditures.
If PCGS uses it, I am sure it is pretty accurate.
I don't know if the CCF has one, but an online fake coin images repository would be quite handy. Probably could do one in a wiki format and let the community write it as we go.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
640 Posts |
This is capital world.
See how fast consumer put aside expensive iphone 5 and switch to iphone 6.
I am just spending my budget on this device instead of iphone 6. lol.
Anyway, precious metal verifier is a great device (toy) to play with gold & silver for myself and also for friends who colection gold & silver coins.
|
| |
Replies: 18 / Views: 10,451 |