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Hi , I had my best day detecting today but can't find the Magnentius reverse , there is a similar one with trophy but the one has something other than a trophy .
It's 4.5 grams and 22mm
Thanks in advance .

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Wow! This came out of the ground? What an outstanding find. I have no idea what it's worth, but it has to be really valuable. Do you have to report a find like this?
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Are you saying this came out of the ground today? You must surely have to report it.

It is a trophy and the reference is RIC 247. You can find one here: http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1241133 and here: http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1039946
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I found it after work today , single coin finds of any metal don't need to be reported but most do for local history and braggin' rights . So it is a trophy , I just thought it looks a little different ( tired eyes trying to research for hours )
Thank you for the help .
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What is the definition of Treasure?

Coins - All coins from the same find (two or more) provided they are at least 300 years old when found. If they contain less than 10% gold or silver there must be at least 10 of them.

Objects - All prehistoric base-metal objects from the same find (two or more).

All finds (one or more) at least 300 years old and containing 10% or more gold or silver.

Associated finds - Any object, whatever it is made of, found in the same place as (or had previously been together with, another object that is treasure.

For more information on the Treasure Act, access the link in the 'related links' section.

What should I do if I find something that may be Treasure?

You must report all finds of Treasure to a coroner for the district in which they are found either within 14 days after the day on which you made the discovery or within 14 days after the day on which you realised the find might be treasure.

For details of your local coroner see the Treasure Act Code of Practice.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancien...faq_01.shtml
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I found it after work today , single coin finds of any metal don't need to be reported but most do for local history and braggin' rights .


Lucky you and congratulations, very nice coin.

Can you mark the spot? I can picture 'echizento' rushing to the airport with only his metal detector in hand.
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I don't claim to know the laws of the UK, but what I have read from the link provided your coin contains more than 10% gold therefore by law it must be reported.
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Medieval, if I lived in the UK I would be out detecting every day.
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Trier mint, RIC 247. Minted 350 CE.

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Medieval, if I lived in the UK I would be out detecting every day.


You said that before, that's why I made my comment.
Starting to get tempted to migrate to Europe, North Africa or the Middle East?
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that is absolutely amazing MB.

I've got my airline ticket, I'm on my way over to do some metal detecting.. i'll just stay on your couch for a couple weeks if that's ok with you.

so if I'm reading the treasure act info correctly, a museum could take this item if they want to (as it is "treasure"), providing they pay the finder "fair market value". am I reading that right?
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Thanks for your comments guys , it is NOT classed as treasure due to being a single coin not " two or more "
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Hey, guys (and girls) if you read M.B.'s original post 'with care' you will see that he says,


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, there is a similar one with trophy but the one has something other than a trophy .


Therefore, (IMHO) the AV Solidus that you are 'fawning' over is in fact a 'stock' picture.

I stand to be corrected.
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V.C. & echizento - I am with you if this can be believed -
What needs to be reported -
"All finds (one or more) at least 300 years old and containing 10% or more gold or silver."

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Monkeybean...You do have to report this, by law. You are obliged to else it is a criminal offence.


Read the information I posted last time.

ONE or more coins, if they contain 10% or more of silver or gold, ARE TREASURE.

Why don't you join a reputable metal detecting club which will guide you on aspects of the law and other conduct until your are more familiar with it? It is important that significant local history is not trashed or lost.
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The one or more law is in regard to artefact not coins ,
I am with a club , have been detecting for many many years and know the treasure laws very well .
If the one or more law with 10 % content silver or gold was about coins , it would mean EVERY hammered penny , EVERY Roman denarius .
I report every significant find to my FLO and am not sure why You are trying to teach me incorrect treasure law .

http://finds.org.uk/treasure/advice/summary
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