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Heritage - Have I Overpaid ?

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 Posted 11/15/2014  8:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add plonker to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have pretty much stopped buying from ebay and have been saving money all this year. Recently got these two from Heritage. They are slabbed and I paid $280 each with buyer's premium. Main reason from buying from Heritage was to avoid any unpleasantness from ebay with respect to fakes. Also I have been trying follow buy few quality and rare theme as advised elsewhere in this forum.
I know there are not many European crown collectors here but would love to get to your feedback. Specially from members from Europe where slabbed coins doesn't seem to have much following and there many dealers selling crowns. Have I overpaid for these two coins in this quality?

Thanks

1791 Sweden riksdaler AU58
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1814 Switzerland Luzern 4 franken AU53

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 Posted 11/15/2014  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These are NICE coins, irrespective of weather you paid too much for them or not.
You have them now.
As they say in cricket:- "runs already on the board" - perhaps better than still having to score them.

Many years after you have paid for these coins, you will still appreciate them.

Keep the invoices for these coins.
They are your documentry proof needed to establish a pedigree for them. If they have come from Heritage, you can bet your life on them that they are genuine. THAT has to be worth something. Good quality fakes of European crown sized silver have been around for decades, and long before the Chinese decided to muscle their way into the act.
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 Posted 11/15/2014  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm unsure of the AU58 on the Riksdaler, but I think $280 is a good price.
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 Posted 11/16/2014  03:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I used to ask questions like that! In reality its Unanswerable.

Although you were the highest bidder the other bidders with you set the final selling price. You paid market value the only difference is you were one of the market value setters rather than followers!

An Aside: I know the saying goes buy the book before the coin. I have a modification: "Buy" the story then the coin. A coin with a story will always maintain its value better than one that doesn't have a story.
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"A coin with a story will always maintain its value better than one that doesn't have a story."

Quite true!
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I agree they are nice and worth what you paid because it was won in competitive bidding. The only thing that ebay does (which Heritage and Stacks do not) is to provide the bid history.

I always fell a price is very accurate if a group of three or more bidders were close at the end. What I do not like to win is a coin where there were only two of us at the end and the third bidder was barely visible on the horizon. This happened one time with a coin I wanted - The high bid was $505 - I was at $502 and the third bidder was at $120. That result was not indicative of a true market price but a two party fight for one coin where both of us picked the same "buy price".

I recall the 4 Franken - that one has much better eye appeal and was one I considered at $250.
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Both of those coins were well bought. They have lots of eye appeal.
I have two of the riksdalers in comparable condition. Both were more expensive than yours. It's a 'relatively' common coin from that ruler but always in high demand.
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Thank you all, appreciate the feedback very much. I whole hardheartedly agree on coins with a story being appealing, Then which pre WWI1 coin doesn't have a story associated ? Bob there were more than 3 bidders on these :) although I don't like 17.5% buyers premium I trust the coin I buy. No more fakes nor cleaned coins as I have ruefully found with my ebay buys. I have to admit I save money longer than ever to buy from HA.
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you get what you pay for! I haven't purchased a coin on ebay for a very long time. Floor auctions, and E auctions are now where I do my hunting. You still get the odd fake slipping through but its easier to sort out. Don't worry about the BP after a while you learn to factor it into your bidding
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'plonker', if you in advance set your maximum bidding price (factoring the BP in as 'austrikiwi' said), then you don't have overpaid because you considered the coin worth that much to you. So enjoy those coins without questioning yourself too much.
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If they have come from Heritage, you can bet your life on them that they are genuine. THAT has to be worth something.


Hm, you get the guarantee of a strong auction house that they will take the coin back if it is found to be counterfeit - that much is true.
However, I would definitely NOT be betting my life on the genuineness of everything they sell
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