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1895 No Mint Mark, Opinions Please

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How do we know what a 1895P business strike looks like. Or did they use the same dies and just polish the proofs? I see in the first pic that the five looks like it is a different shade but it also appears to be from the flash reflecting off the plastic? I am super new, so only asking for informational purposes. Thank you all.
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 Posted 11/16/2014  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FireflySwamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you
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 Posted 11/16/2014  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
May be an 1885 with the date altered. After a 2nd look, I'm pretty sure that is what it is.
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I agree with jimbucks. Give that "9" a really good look as well.

907, Philly mint produced all of the dies for all mints in 1895, so a "5" is going to appear nearly the same on all coins, even branch mint ones.

I still don't like that "5" on it. The stand is too weak when compared to my 1895-S and 1895-O, and even all of my 1885's.
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 Posted 11/16/2014  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 907Sammy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't tell, looks legit to me, but that's why I'm here, so I won't be duped by something like this in the future.
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I am beginning to wonder if it's a contemporary counterfeit Morgan. Just a thought.

I would compare it's weight to a genuine Morgan and also check the edge reeding for differences with a comparable wear Morgan.

This is definitely educational.
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 Posted 11/16/2014  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover168 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it's not going for much (like around $20), you might want to get this for educational purposes (if it is legal to own an unmarked fake).
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The 1895-P is the only Morgan dollar that I lack for my collection.
If you Morgan dollar set is circulation strikes the 1895 is not required since it was a proof issue. In your Dansco put a two sided photo of a proof 1895 and that will take care of that.
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Wow. Dansco actually has a slot in the circulation strike album for a non-existent coin. LOL.

...and before anyone gets upset by my saying non-existent, here is why I say it. I was doing some reading in the recent past:

In those days of the U.S. Mint, it was common for collectors to request specific coins and dates of them from the mints. This went for proofs and business strikes. The mint would oblige willingly IF they were available. A numismatist by the name of Henry Hettger tracked down the requests for 1895-P business strikes. The requests were all returned to the requesters unfulfilled. If there were 12,000 1895-P business strikes in existence, they would be now be around in populations somewhat similar to the 1930-S, 1931, 1931-D and 1932 Double Eagles and perhaps a few more. They are not. The 1895-P did not exist and thus requests were returned. The 12,000 entry in the books was an entry to rectify the coining of 1894-P's, no doubt.

To give you an idea of it, if I had a time machine I could go back to the summer of 1932 and actually order 1927-D Double Eagles from the mint. They were listed as available coins via mint correspondence in 1932. You can see where I'm heading first if I ever get my hands on such a machine.
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If you Morgan dollar set is circulation strikes the 1895 is not required since it was a proof issue. In your Dansco put a two sided photo of a proof 1895 and that will take care of that.

The Dansco album has a spot for the 1895-P

Last year or the year before, I bought a copper round with the Morgan portrait and sanded the edges to make it fit in the spot.

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Private mints make great rare date hole fillers that will actually fit, fuzzy. I don't have a Dansco for my Morgan collection, but if I did I would do that to have the silver look.
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It being copper colored only points out that it is not the correct coin. I can live with that.
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Lol. That it does. Sanding it down must have been a pain.
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The date looks 'off'.
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I can't stand empty holes either. I once bought a new album for my flying eagle / indian heads cause the one I had was falling apart....and when I got it home and opened I saw they had a slot for the 1856 flying eagle. I took the book back and bought a different one knowing I couldn't live without having that hole filled. Good fix for the empty slot Fuzzy~!! 3 to go and I can retire that book.
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