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1852 Large Cent

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A friend of mine shot me this pic of a 1852 large cent that he can't attribute. He thinks it's mint damage. I think it's PMD, however I have seen some engravers lines in large cents but never only 1 like this.
Any ideas what is going on with this coin?



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I think I've seen something like this before, I think it was a strike-through, but it could just as easily be PMD. Wait on some experts to chime in.
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Could a mod please move this into the error section?
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Simple rule of thumb.....if it's a raised line, it's a mint flaw. If the line is into the coin, it's a PMD scratch.
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I'll move it if it's confirmed raised. Otherwise, PMD.
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Owner of the coin confirmed to me that it is raised.
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Question regarding coin in question:

Viewers perspective- If you look at the 2nd star up from the bottom left of the date it looks as if its got a clash of some sort. It looks to be a recessed area further out and around star. I'm no expert but could someone look into that alittle closer as it seems to me something(I don't know what)is going on. thanks, chet
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I'll ask the owner. The coin is not with me.
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Post strike damage. Properly done it is possible to make a cut into a coin that creates a raised line.
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This is (as Conder mentioned) a knife (or other sharp instrument) strike. Knife drags across a coin usually displace more metal to one side than another. A very little circulation then folds that displacement back over the knife gouge, creating a raised line on the coin.

I'm not 100% positive, but as a die feature it's tough to believe we haven't seen another in 152 years. This should be far from the only example.
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I was thinking it was a possible knife/sharp object post strike damage too. I read about it in another post in here and when the owner showed me the coin this possibility came immediately to mind. I'm going to see the owner and the coin this weekend.
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I don;t see the "scratch" that raised the metal next to the raised area but that is an odd place for a die gouge or scratch which would cause a naturally legit raised line on a coin.

If it was struck through it would be a recessed area, not raised.

I think a close up picture would help.
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The explanation is that the scratch gets covered by the displaced metal once the coin gets circulated. It "folds" over the scratch.
I asked for better obverse and reverse pics, and I should have the coin in hand this Saturday.
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