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Thanks for that info Dan. Note #7of p.200 explains it well. (p.201 has great pics and markers) I've only gotten to page 79 "so far".. and might not have remembered that detail as well as Dan did here.  |
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Canada
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"They are definitely A's not V's. See page 200 of his 1858 Cents of Provincial Canada book."[dan-in-crystal-lake]
They sure have the visual appearance of letter V's turned upside down.
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Agree with you @kbbpll, seeing the second T and doubled 5 and an 8 in the date.
Noting that some A's on the obverse, first A in Canada, the A in Victoria, and the A
in Regina, have bars, and serifs, weak in the A in Canada, so not inverted V's.
Fully formed I in DEI, but in Gratia very weak. The whole of Gratia seems weak.
Thanks for the referral @dan, very neat coin, both sides @JeyRey2000.
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12/06/2014 08:18 am
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Forum Kid
Canada
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1 of the A's is pointing between a denticle and the last A is pointed at a denticle. interesting...
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Vickid-
All Victoria pennies are like that.
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Valued Member
Canada
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"Yes Rob Turner identified this die pair several years back. It is an RA1/OE1. His notes on the obverse include missing or filled serifs. They are definitely A's not V's. See page 200 of his 1858 Cents of Provincial Canada book."[dan-in-crystal-lake]
Just so happens that I do not have the book.
Did the author indicate how they came to the conclusion that they did about the obverse of this coin?
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Valued Member
United States
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bellmaker, when you see a good example of that particular reverse where the die is not plugged, the letters are all A's. He traces that obverse through 4 different reverses and 4 different die state. I have examples of all of them here in my collections. Robs books are really worth reading if anyone has any kind of interest in Victorian copper varieties.
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Well I lost the auction. I am sure someone put in a healthy bid that I couldn't compete. Hopefully it turns here somewhere with better photos.
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Valued Member
Canada
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"bellmaker, when you see a good example of that particular reverse where the die is not plugged, the letters are all A's. He traces that obverse through 4 different reverses and 4 different die state. I have examples of all of them here in my collections. Robs books are really worth reading if anyone has any kind of interest in Victorian copper varieties."(dan-in-crystal-lake)
The upside down V's appear throughout the Victorian coinage and with more than one denomination. I have not seen the same curiosity appear on coins in eras since.
I don't wish to go into great depths about the era, but there are certain recorded facts that could have played a role in making this curiosity come into being.
That aside.
Everything I have heard about Robs books, leads me to believe that this is one author who has actually placed efforts into their research and therefor it is not unreasonable to consider their works (sight unseen) as being reference materials that do benefit the hobbyist.
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Rob Turner's 4 books, plus the next one to come, should be in any serious collector's library or also in anyone's who wants to seriously get into the relatively inexpensive niche of maximum variety colecting (Vicky Cents). He actually went to London to research all the old written archives of The Royal Mint to gather factual (rather than word-of-mouth) data to support his work. The books were also vetted by, again, a small group of collector experts, to ensure that the information was level, concise, and accurate. The first, with all the 1858 die pairings plus a very detailed hisory of the beginnings of Canadian coinage, is a must. Then, you can go where you want, whether it's the 9/8's, or an overview of the early Victoria cents in Dies and Diadems, or the specialized die tracking for the 1892's and 4's. Just like any variety collector of whichever variety denomination is his interest ... he should pick up the annual Charlton guide just for the variety section in the back, starting with 2011 with the Vicky cents. The 2011 edition was the first in Charlton history to have the back variety section be written by a group of COLLECTORS, not dealers or marketers or TPG's, or previous year's retreads. Each annual Charlton since then has been the same way with the variety section written by serious collectors/researchers, not someone trying to build a market for their own coins. Once coins from the back of the Charlton start to be listed in the front of the book for future editions, then Trends will pick them up and ICCS will start cert'ing. And all this starts with books, libraries, collectors and researchers. the first $100 that any collector spends should always be books before the first coin gets in the collection. |
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Canada
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 okiecoiner. Nice to see you are passionate about certain things! I believe that the Canadian Coin Triad (Charlton, Trends & ICCS) are in need of a serious wheel-alignment. Nice to hear that Charlton has started something with collectors, still doesn't make me want to rush-out and buy a copy. Perhaps when I start hearing from other collectors that the publication has begun to correct some of the front section, I will consider it worthy and purchase a copy. |
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The variety sections of the Charlton are the main reason I do buy them every year... the 67th edition is outstanding!  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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the 67th edition is outstanding! ..and I've got 17 autographed editions by Roger to prove that exact point..  Rob has put an exhausting amount of work into his books and they came out of his true passion for the Vicky cents. The photography of the cents and important markers make these books a must for any serious varieties collector. He's not making anything on these books. Once you own.. "The 1858 Cents of Provincial Canada" ... or one of the others,..you'll understand and quickly appreciate the dedication and effort that went into these books. They're so beautiful that I use white gloves when I handle them..(seriously) He call himself a nerd,..and I guess that makes me one also..  |
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SPP, The 67th was good for sure. I'm however still partial to the 65th ;)
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